Emirates recalling redundant
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I think who has handled it better or worse is a rather obsolete discussion. As for EK, given the fact of the size of company they could have handled the whole thing way better than the did, as the whole management could think twice about their actions.
assuming 1500 where let go it was costing EK a minimum of
3 month salary (based on basic salary of 25800aed/month for FO and 43000aed for PIC)
costs for the FO: 86.250.000aed
costs for the PIC: 120.750.000aed
this includes: 3 month basic saleries and the container. 750 of each side
total:207.000.000aed - an that’s only the Minimum.
if they would have considered paying 8k AED a month to put food on the families tables that money would have lasted 17 month - so long enough to go throu the worst.
beside the costs for returning or selecting new ones (which at the same amount of candidates will be the amount of money again) would have covered the unpaid leave guys.
Now some will say:
1. But there are other costs to be covered if people would have stayed for eg. school allowance - true, but we don’t know how many kids in school are effected and still there is the bucket of money for the rejoining of guys has to be added to the total “let go costs”, plus the variation in the calculation as it is properly higher as rather senior guys have been let go, therefore the salaries had been way higher than the assumption
2. Housing - does not make a difference because MS is owned buy EK and is still there producing costs or not independent if occupied or not. Opted out: well we don’t know how many did not live in company Accommodation
Bottom line, the difference of these factors wouldn’t be to much, but apparently not worth for them to show loyalty or any other form of respect to the workforce. General attitude was
it’s ok to spend the money on the “let go”, it’s also ok the spend it to hire new pilots- but it’s not ok to spend it to ungainfully employeed ones to safe some careers or life’s and provide a job security in these hard times for aviation.
And even if you say all that hassle was fair ok and necessary they could bring back every single soul in their old position, old seniority, may be on a different pay, keeping the FOs position on the career path, without disregarding the years of service, but that’s not what EK is like, there are no thoughts and that’s a personal decision of some higher pay grade managers demonstrating their respect to the entire food chain in EK.
just my thoughts
assuming 1500 where let go it was costing EK a minimum of
3 month salary (based on basic salary of 25800aed/month for FO and 43000aed for PIC)
costs for the FO: 86.250.000aed
costs for the PIC: 120.750.000aed
this includes: 3 month basic saleries and the container. 750 of each side
total:207.000.000aed - an that’s only the Minimum.
if they would have considered paying 8k AED a month to put food on the families tables that money would have lasted 17 month - so long enough to go throu the worst.
beside the costs for returning or selecting new ones (which at the same amount of candidates will be the amount of money again) would have covered the unpaid leave guys.
Now some will say:
1. But there are other costs to be covered if people would have stayed for eg. school allowance - true, but we don’t know how many kids in school are effected and still there is the bucket of money for the rejoining of guys has to be added to the total “let go costs”, plus the variation in the calculation as it is properly higher as rather senior guys have been let go, therefore the salaries had been way higher than the assumption
2. Housing - does not make a difference because MS is owned buy EK and is still there producing costs or not independent if occupied or not. Opted out: well we don’t know how many did not live in company Accommodation
Bottom line, the difference of these factors wouldn’t be to much, but apparently not worth for them to show loyalty or any other form of respect to the workforce. General attitude was
it’s ok to spend the money on the “let go”, it’s also ok the spend it to hire new pilots- but it’s not ok to spend it to ungainfully employeed ones to safe some careers or life’s and provide a job security in these hard times for aviation.
And even if you say all that hassle was fair ok and necessary they could bring back every single soul in their old position, old seniority, may be on a different pay, keeping the FOs position on the career path, without disregarding the years of service, but that’s not what EK is like, there are no thoughts and that’s a personal decision of some higher pay grade managers demonstrating their respect to the entire food chain in EK.
just my thoughts
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Thanks for the info BigFatLady, it was actually a rhetorical question , but thank you. I agree with your assessment as well.
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Got not much to add other than stating the obvious...
Most can understand EK had to reduce workforce temporarily to save costs... The way it was done, was vindictive and the people who suffered from their'
show were all guys who had an issue in the past related to health. Most guys were fully recovered but had a period of long sickness outside their own will (in my case less than 30 days, long ago).
The bottom line is : everyone has now seen how this 'lot' deals with their workforce when it matters the most and everyone has taken good notice in the industry...
Surely most of us have moved on, but the knife in the back feeling will never go away....
To compare EK with FD is an insult to FD. I have several friends at FD and in NO WAY they treated their staff like EK did. Sure the pay suffered a while but nearly everyone has his job back.... My hat off to G.A.G...Respect!
Most can understand EK had to reduce workforce temporarily to save costs... The way it was done, was vindictive and the people who suffered from their'
show were all guys who had an issue in the past related to health. Most guys were fully recovered but had a period of long sickness outside their own will (in my case less than 30 days, long ago).The bottom line is : everyone has now seen how this 'lot' deals with their workforce when it matters the most and everyone has taken good notice in the industry...
Surely most of us have moved on, but the knife in the back feeling will never go away....
To compare EK with FD is an insult to FD. I have several friends at FD and in NO WAY they treated their staff like EK did. Sure the pay suffered a while but nearly everyone has his job back.... My hat off to G.A.G...Respect!
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From the airline of choice to to airline of no choice, was disgusting the way loyal, good people were treated.
A relationships strength is demonstrated in the hard times not the easy.
A relationships strength is demonstrated in the hard times not the easy.
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And it seems you still want to go back? Given how many times you've asked whether EK has taken back any 777 pilots, I would say there's a degree of Stockholm Syndrome.
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On 12 August I register for future opportunities at EK career website, last week I've got email from them asking me to send other document like CV, passport and medical. Haven't heard anything from them since then. I'm first time applicant with airbus time.
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I believe it will be only for database collection. There are still good amount of people waiting to be called. But its EK you never know they can bypass redundant and call externals.
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Well, I also applied for the job opening and they replied that there are type specific requirements and am in a hold pool. Will they get back to new applicants after calling back the redundant?
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Exactly, that there are type specific requirements and am held in a pool. I suppose they mean the ones with prior experience on their types and/or redundant jockeys.
Exactly, that there are type specific requirements and am held in a pool. I suppose they mean the ones with prior experience on their types and/or redundant jockeys.
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i got it but looks like it was automatically sent to me.
We thank you for registering your interest.
However due to the Covid-19 pandemic, we have postponed all our pilot recruitment activities.
We will review your registration details and if they match our requirements, we will notify you of the next steps when operations resume.
Thank you for your interest in a career with Emirates.
Kind regards,
Flight Operations Recruitment Team
Emirates
We thank you for registering your interest.
However due to the Covid-19 pandemic, we have postponed all our pilot recruitment activities.
We will review your registration details and if they match our requirements, we will notify you of the next steps when operations resume.
Thank you for your interest in a career with Emirates.
Kind regards,
Flight Operations Recruitment Team
Emirates
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you can put food on the table by not working for EK. Other jobs are available. Maybe not flying jobs at the moment, but there are other opportunities this world has to offer than work for that lot
you can put food on the table by not working for EK. Other jobs are available. Maybe not flying jobs at the moment, but there are other opportunities this world has to offer than work for that lot
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unfortunately it’s not that easy
people in certain age have severe trouble to find other than aviation jobs and even in aviation it is a problem as the amount of applications per Job is mind blowing. You are lucky if they see your application and process it.
people in certain age have severe trouble to find other than aviation jobs and even in aviation it is a problem as the amount of applications per Job is mind blowing. You are lucky if they see your application and process it.
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It really isn’t that easy. I spent the last 18 months working on my qualifications and applying for jobs, I got precisely zero interest in return. Most didn’t even bother to reply. If the choice is stacking shelves in Tesco vs sitting in the LHS of a 380, it’s a no brainier. I was happy to swallow my pride and sign on the dotted line as it’s still a pretty barren wilderness out there…
It really isn’t that easy. I spent the last 18 months working on my qualifications and applying for jobs, I got precisely zero interest in return. Most didn’t even bother to reply. If the choice is stacking shelves in Tesco vs sitting in the LHS of a 380, it’s a no brainier. I was happy to swallow my pride and sign on the dotted line as it’s still a pretty barren wilderness out there…
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"Most didn't even bother to reapply" ? 50.1 % of @1400 ? I think you might be mistaken or over estimated your guess. Each to his own . I still only know of less than 100 than have secured flying jobs and even some of those would go back to EK simply based on economics regardless of the reduced contract .
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While I think quite a few of those who were fired on the 380 might get their jobs back, be it back at seniority 0, I think for all of those from round 1 there is little to no hope…
So anyone from round 1, especially guys like Fired600 : You were fired in the first round for a reason, a reason we all know namely health, an injury or sickness or you were very close to retirement. They will never ever call you back…Don’t waste your time…If you work here long enough and you also keep an eye on foreign press regularly you should know how this place works…you are worth less than a number to them…
I did move on a while back and will never let these xxxx in the BS castle run my life again no matter what the pay would be…
There are a lot of jobs opening up…watch what happens the next 12 months….
So anyone from round 1, especially guys like Fired600 : You were fired in the first round for a reason, a reason we all know namely health, an injury or sickness or you were very close to retirement. They will never ever call you back…Don’t waste your time…If you work here long enough and you also keep an eye on foreign press regularly you should know how this place works…you are worth less than a number to them…
I did move on a while back and will never let these xxxx in the BS castle run my life again no matter what the pay would be…
There are a lot of jobs opening up…watch what happens the next 12 months….