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Today is another sad day.
Majority of non-locals are being laid off,due to the grim forecast of only flying a third of total fleets, will be expected to operate for the upcoming year to 18 months.
Hence, the drastic measures.
Fatbus, I wasn't being facetious, merely stating a fact.
Majority of non-locals are being laid off,due to the grim forecast of only flying a third of total fleets, will be expected to operate for the upcoming year to 18 months.
Hence, the drastic measures.
Fatbus, I wasn't being facetious, merely stating a fact.
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"Oman Air won’t be happy until every expat has left."
That's categorically untrue.
I've listened to all this drivel for weeks now.
There are guys at Oman Air and in other aviation sectors within Oman who have been here for years and share very harmonious relationships with their Omani hosts.
I for one have been here knocking on fifteen years, and never once have I had the impression that my job was at risk because of where I came from.
This 'us vs. them' mentality is tiring.
Apart from (same as everywhere) a few misguided / immature people, locals in our sector don't care where you come from as long as you can do the job properly, and deal with 'What to do, yanni'.
And when you are no longer required (as for any project where you are an employee or a contractor) you get let go.
If you can't deal with the cut and thrust of employment, then start your own nine figure airline business, and we will see how benevolent you are when the proverbial hits the fan blades.
I've sat in on meetings over the last few months that have involved various entities within the larger Oman aviation / transport sector and they have tried everything to lengthen the timeline of when folks need to be let go.
Helmet on now, but seriously...
Your job is on-hold. It's their right to terminate you if the business, or lack of it, requires.
Any contractual grief you come across should not be a surprise to you, as PPrune has been around long enough for you to read how it works over here before you left wherever it is you were before coming.
Put the experience in your pocket. Go home. Start looking for other work.
Whining about it is useless.
That's categorically untrue.
I've listened to all this drivel for weeks now.
There are guys at Oman Air and in other aviation sectors within Oman who have been here for years and share very harmonious relationships with their Omani hosts.
I for one have been here knocking on fifteen years, and never once have I had the impression that my job was at risk because of where I came from.
This 'us vs. them' mentality is tiring.
Apart from (same as everywhere) a few misguided / immature people, locals in our sector don't care where you come from as long as you can do the job properly, and deal with 'What to do, yanni'.
And when you are no longer required (as for any project where you are an employee or a contractor) you get let go.
If you can't deal with the cut and thrust of employment, then start your own nine figure airline business, and we will see how benevolent you are when the proverbial hits the fan blades.
I've sat in on meetings over the last few months that have involved various entities within the larger Oman aviation / transport sector and they have tried everything to lengthen the timeline of when folks need to be let go.
Helmet on now, but seriously...
Your job is on-hold. It's their right to terminate you if the business, or lack of it, requires.
Any contractual grief you come across should not be a surprise to you, as PPrune has been around long enough for you to read how it works over here before you left wherever it is you were before coming.
Put the experience in your pocket. Go home. Start looking for other work.
Whining about it is useless.
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just two points , because to be correct when talking is always a good behavior:
in the so called “old continent “ when you have a permanent contract, if something happen to your company (ie Covid19 or bankrupt and so on), WE have labor laws where you can be put on redundancy (or other tools) respecting the seniority ( or other social parameters like number of sons etc etc ). Everything is done taking bare in mind that it can’t be fired none taking into account nationality, religion , sex and so on.That means in concrete that for example in my company, where we have “expat” they have exactly the same rights of the nationals . If we start put people in redundancy, I hope not, it will be only following seniority and the other criteria I wrote above , not “expat” first .Other important thing is we proved “social supporting tools” ( I.e. emergency salary , housing , medical assistance) to all these people that are loosing job, not only to locals.
this just to be correct , when you speaking about , go home and find another job.
by the way as I said I’m not working in WY just to be very clear .
just two points , because to be correct when talking is always a good behavior:
in the so called “old continent “ when you have a permanent contract, if something happen to your company (ie Covid19 or bankrupt and so on), WE have labor laws where you can be put on redundancy (or other tools) respecting the seniority ( or other social parameters like number of sons etc etc ). Everything is done taking bare in mind that it can’t be fired none taking into account nationality, religion , sex and so on.That means in concrete that for example in my company, where we have “expat” they have exactly the same rights of the nationals . If we start put people in redundancy, I hope not, it will be only following seniority and the other criteria I wrote above , not “expat” first .Other important thing is we proved “social supporting tools” ( I.e. emergency salary , housing , medical assistance) to all these people that are loosing job, not only to locals.
this just to be correct , when you speaking about , go home and find another job.
by the way as I said I’m not working in WY just to be very clear .
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Yes, of course.
It was said as what is necessary to do if the current situation does not work for those who are now on leave without pay, and was my own statement - not that of Oman Air.
This situation for sure has not been taken lightly by the company.
Thank you for your clarification.
It was said as what is necessary to do if the current situation does not work for those who are now on leave without pay, and was my own statement - not that of Oman Air.
This situation for sure has not been taken lightly by the company.
Thank you for your clarification.
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Where do I start with your sub-par level of explaining.. Glad you are not a pilot.
If you are being bitter about it all, think back hard at how different multinationals are treated compared to the locals in GCC..
Speak truth... You are a laugh a minute Ramones. Obviously Italian.
What you have said, has a pinch of truth, the rest is just cry baby stuff.
Where do I start.... Too many different approaches to quash your "I'm from the west and how dare you fire me BS".
I will not succumb to that, I'll leave it you to man up, grow up and look to a brighter future, instead of all this ex-employer bashing{be it you or one of your many friends living in Oman for years }.
A big number of expat pilot are now doing a runner and leaving behind loans of up to $500000. Why? Because they can apparently..
No country from this end will pursue the thieving, conceited, overly-privileged, arrogant western pilots. They've found a loophole. Leave before your next loan payment and you are clear.
Dumb and dumber rings to mind..
If you are being bitter about it all, think back hard at how different multinationals are treated compared to the locals in GCC..
Speak truth... You are a laugh a minute Ramones. Obviously Italian.
What you have said, has a pinch of truth, the rest is just cry baby stuff.
Where do I start.... Too many different approaches to quash your "I'm from the west and how dare you fire me BS".
I will not succumb to that, I'll leave it you to man up, grow up and look to a brighter future, instead of all this ex-employer bashing{be it you or one of your many friends living in Oman for years }.
A big number of expat pilot are now doing a runner and leaving behind loans of up to $500000. Why? Because they can apparently..
No country from this end will pursue the thieving, conceited, overly-privileged, arrogant western pilots. They've found a loophole. Leave before your next loan payment and you are clear.
Dumb and dumber rings to mind..
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Things were not done in the right way. Yes the company need to save money and it is the companys right to put Omani pilots first. After all they have nowhere else to go.
But, the company handled the last 6 months in a very bad way, because it broke the contract promises that were made to foreign pilots. Covid supreme committee approved up to 30% pay cut for three months for everybody, that was it. We all accepted althogh it was difficult. But expat collegues had salary cut by 80%. This is against the Oman labor law, Supreme committee never approved this large cut, and did not approve that expats should be cut more. Also no other big company in Oman did this different treatment. Why does the company do things that are against the law?
If the terminated pilots now sue the company they will win, it will cost Oman Air more in court costs and bad reputation. Now the Omani pilots are back on 100% salary while 100 remaining expats are on 50%, open ended but at least 6 months. Also all expat cabin crew are on 30% while Omani crew earn 100%.
This is all illegal, as unpaid leave more than 30 days does not exist in the labour law. Any such step would have to be agreed with the workforce. Cutting housing allowance, also not allowed, as it is against the signed contract. But the expat pilots and also cabin crew were not asked. The company put it on them because company knows everybody is too scared to speak up.
Is there another airline where a junior first officer on narrow body makes more salary then senior wide body Captain? It is still against the law and will come back to bite us when these pilots and cabin crew sue. Which they surely will when they are terminated later.
Also Oman is a proud nation. All the terminated pilots will speak very badly about Oman and Oman air because of the way things were done. Many pilots found out they were terminated from logging into the roster, they were not informed by the company until the meeting days later. This is not the way to do it. They will not be good ambassadors for Oman.
Same with all the passengers who booked tickets and are not getting refunds for cancelled flights. This is very bad I hope we go back to doing things the right way in the future to save our reputation. Saving money is needed but not at the cost of breaking the law and destroying the reputation.
But, the company handled the last 6 months in a very bad way, because it broke the contract promises that were made to foreign pilots. Covid supreme committee approved up to 30% pay cut for three months for everybody, that was it. We all accepted althogh it was difficult. But expat collegues had salary cut by 80%. This is against the Oman labor law, Supreme committee never approved this large cut, and did not approve that expats should be cut more. Also no other big company in Oman did this different treatment. Why does the company do things that are against the law?
If the terminated pilots now sue the company they will win, it will cost Oman Air more in court costs and bad reputation. Now the Omani pilots are back on 100% salary while 100 remaining expats are on 50%, open ended but at least 6 months. Also all expat cabin crew are on 30% while Omani crew earn 100%.
This is all illegal, as unpaid leave more than 30 days does not exist in the labour law. Any such step would have to be agreed with the workforce. Cutting housing allowance, also not allowed, as it is against the signed contract. But the expat pilots and also cabin crew were not asked. The company put it on them because company knows everybody is too scared to speak up.
Is there another airline where a junior first officer on narrow body makes more salary then senior wide body Captain? It is still against the law and will come back to bite us when these pilots and cabin crew sue. Which they surely will when they are terminated later.
Also Oman is a proud nation. All the terminated pilots will speak very badly about Oman and Oman air because of the way things were done. Many pilots found out they were terminated from logging into the roster, they were not informed by the company until the meeting days later. This is not the way to do it. They will not be good ambassadors for Oman.
Same with all the passengers who booked tickets and are not getting refunds for cancelled flights. This is very bad I hope we go back to doing things the right way in the future to save our reputation. Saving money is needed but not at the cost of breaking the law and destroying the reputation.