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Old 17th Jun 2020, 09:35
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Yes that's it! Thanks...taking account of any credit based on a recommendation from an approved training organisation...

Like the OP said find a good ATO that can help you.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 11:16
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Thanks. I was just about to start the exams, this seems too good to be true.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 11:20
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So excuse my ignorance, I have never had to apply for a license other than way back when I was originally issued my JAR ATPL, where do I apply to get my GCAA license converted to the EASA?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 11:24
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Needs to be done via an ATO, you can't do it yourself. The OP helped me getting to the right guys.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 11:36
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Thanks very much for the info
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:11
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Range73 pm sent
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 23:56
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Originally Posted by Range73 View Post
That is correct, the only thing you need is an ATO that doesn't try to squeeze te last dollar from your wallet. Happy I got my EASA in order so the bullet is in the barrel again when things turn for the better.
Thank you, did not come across this so will shoot you a PM. Good to know and I stand corrected!
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 02:29
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Is anyone aware of any training organisations in UAE with EASA examiners who could do this here before we leave?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 03:51
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Originally Posted by terra_nullius View Post
Actually the EASA regulations just changed this month, yes you can convert certain 3rd country ICAO licences to an EASA licence without any theoretical exam, even without a previous EASA licence!!!!!
So which are the 3rd countries that are accepted? Anyone got a list or a link to it? I would be very surprised if they have dropped the 14 exam requirement. More than happy to be proved wrong.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 06:04
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The document says “member states” I assume that means all ICAO

reading the regs it appears that Air Law and human performance might still need to be taken to convert a license

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Old 18th Jun 2020, 09:34
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Wish everyone well. Review the document Section 3 carefully. On my third read it speaks differently to what's enjoyed above.

PPL is not the target, I guess, and neither is a validation.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 10:33
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Yes it appears nothing much has changed.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 10:38
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You know I never undertsand how this situation always seems to come up with pilots.

Has anyone ACTUALLY converted their ICAO/FAA ATPL to an EASA ATPL under this "NEW" rule?

It amazes me how people claim to have actually done it, when after reading the document in full it says you ACTUALLY can not.

If you actually have done it, please post who with so others can do the same.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 23:49
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Originally Posted by terra_nullius View Post
Actually the EASA regulations just changed this month, yes you can convert certain 3rd country ICAO licences to an EASA licence without any theoretical exam, even without a previous EASA licence!!!!!
Except, no.

SECTION 3

CONVERSION OF LICENCES

Article 9

Conditions for conversion of licences

1. The competent authority of a Member State may convert a licence for the relevant aircraft category into a PPL in accordance with Annex I (Part-FCL) to Regulation (EU) No 1178/2011 with a single-pilot class or type rating, a BPL in accordance with Annex III (Part-BFCL) to Regulation (EU) 2018/395 or an SPL in accordance with Annex III (Part-SFCL) to Implementing Regulation (EU) 2018/1976, where the original licence is issued in compliance with the requirements of Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention by a third country and the licence is, alternatively:

(a)

an equivalent licence to the licences referred to in paragraph 1;

(b)

a CPL or an ATPL.

2. The holder of the licence to be converted shall comply with the following minimum requirements for the relevant aircraft category:

(a)

pass a written examination in Air Law and Human Performance;

(b)

pass the PPL, BPL or SPL skill test, as relevant, in accordance with Annex I (Part-FCL) to Regulation (EU) No 1178/2011, Annex III (Part-BFCL) to Regulation (EU) 2018/395 or Annex III (Part-SFCL) to Implementing Regulation (EU) 2018/1976;

(c)

fulfil the requirements for the issue of the relevant class or type rating, in accordance with Subpart H;

(d)

hold a medical certificate, as required and issued in accordance with Annex IV (Part-MED) to Regulation (EU) No 1178/2011;

(e)

demonstrate language proficiency in accordance with FCL.055 of Annex I (Part-FCL) to Regulation (EU) No 1178/2011;

(f)

have completed at least 100 hours of flight time as a pilot.
So, you do have to write a couple theory exams, and only receive a PPL.

Oh, and I DID convert my ICAO ATPL license to an EASA ATPL and yes, I did write the 14 exams.

Get studying, the EU needs your money!
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 06:32
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Let's get back on topic as the OP appears to started the topic on something else than a straight up conversion to EASA.

I got some pm's on my post regarding the ICAO transfer, I don't know about the new regulation, but this is what I did last year.

If you already have an (expired) EASA licence but are now flying on an ICAO licence you can transfer the type your are actively flying on to the EASA licence.
It's called an insertion of a 3rd country rating into the EASA licence.

I had my B777 from my ICAO licence transferred to my EASA licence, I now have B777/787 ont it as it is a common rating in the EU.

As EASA is still having slight differences across the different member states the exact procedure is also dependent on your local regulations.
Also you need a PBN endorsement if you don't have that to supplement your IR.

All in all you'll need some good advice, like the OP said, use an ATO which can help you in the process, can't be done without it.

Good luck everybody!
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 07:15
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Best to ask questions to an ATO guys, I was stuck with getting my restriction removed and PBN back. NL CAA wouldn't budge until I came up with help from ATO. Also risk of running off in a wrong direction if you don't. Don't know what third countries will do with your local ATPL that needs to be verified. Perhaps it simply disappears from the computer, I guess by now nobody knows I ever held a licence in PRC. I hated that CAAC theory exam, what a headache. In other words, best to get squared away back to western world ATPL soon.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 11:14
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Worth noting that atleast >500hrs are needed on the transferring type.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 15:53
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yes indeed!
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 21:55
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I believe you might be mixing terms.....
First of all, if you have EASA license, it cannot expire, only your ratings can expire. Because of that, you didn't transfer your ICAO license to EASA, you just 'transferred' your rating. If you never had EASA license before, you cannot get it without doing the exams.

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Old 24th Jun 2020, 21:12
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Yep and I tranfered my ICAO type to my EASA licence, saved a bunch instead of doing a full type which I did not have on my EASA licence. I had 737 before and now have B777/787 with limited cost, so happy with the way it turned out in this Bear-market.
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