Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬
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I know two a350 captains who just left Qatar for being the first officer in the United States. They learned the lesson that Qatar's contract is just a piece of paper and they treat you as to how they treat constructors who are building the stadium. when they need you they give you all the money and respect. The Qatar mentality is they can buy anyone with money.I hope first-world countries should stop letting Qatar Airways keep flying to their countries.
Reemploying based solely on experience wouldn’t make much sense, as the pilot group would be older and they would be facing a massive retirement bulge. Cherry picking from those in the sweet spot around 40 years old would give them a good experience level and a decent remaining number of working years.
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Come on Krismiller nothing make sense in QR, they do the total opposite of the human been logic so lets do it this way; i agree with you the sweet spot will be 40 yrs old but lets think as QR management.
They will rehire 60 yrs old + exA350 to the 787 fleet,
ex777 Cp to the A350 fleet,
SO that started there training on 320 straight to 787
FO ready for command upgrade on 320 will go to the 777......
This looks more like QR logic to me. And the 40 yrs old guys will be the last ones.
If the world send a rocket to the moon throught the sky, Qr will try to find a way to go to the moon in a submarine through the ocean, the funny thing is they think that the rest of the world admires them for been so genius.
They will rehire 60 yrs old + exA350 to the 787 fleet,
ex777 Cp to the A350 fleet,
SO that started there training on 320 straight to 787
FO ready for command upgrade on 320 will go to the 777......
This looks more like QR logic to me. And the 40 yrs old guys will be the last ones.
If the world send a rocket to the moon throught the sky, Qr will try to find a way to go to the moon in a submarine through the ocean, the funny thing is they think that the rest of the world admires them for been so genius.
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maybe the sweet spot will be 40 yrs old but do you think someone who is 40 and returning back to Doha, will he stay there for a long time? He will know that sometime in the future when he is over 55 years old, he might kick out of Qatar airways, hence he needs to make sure by 55 years old he has enough money to retire or fine an airline that respects the seniority list. This is the fact.
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QR 777 FO here, currently flying.
Heard nothing for quite a few weeks now.
Re-hiring process is shady as ****. When they have 330 guys fired, still sitting in Doha with RP, they are calling people from outside. The people coming back will need to go through the process of immigration and quarantine but still they don't call back the guys already in Doha. QR logic as it's best.
Rumor is we're at lest 200 pilots short. Commercial is coming to fleet with new contract and fleet doesn't have the man power, so we can't accept the contract. (Rumor) Latest one were virgin Atlantic and Amazon out of china.
350 is getting worse. But 777 is much worse than 350. 777 roster was published 3 days after the 350, which was way after the OMA/QCAA deadline. Roster changes started coming in with the roster. Today is 7th i had already more than 10 roster chnages.
787 guys transfered to 777 around 80 of them. Some are already flying. They also transfered some 350 to 777 but training will take more time.
Speaking with my colleagues in the cabin, numbers and situation is worse than what was reported in the news. An other problem, countries started to ban crew who's been in India to enter. This may create more issues for QR and India.
Negative loop is already there. When they just got 80 787 transfered, they have 60 777 people on notice period.
777 is already overworked to an unbelievable extend. Leaves of May and June cancelled for 30%.
Most people on 777 didn't get any leaves since last February. We had 1 or 2 forced leaves last year, after 3 days (minimum rest) they were calling us back to fly.
Remaining leave balance from 2020-21 has been payed (even if that's totally illegal in regard of HR policy and Qatar labour law).
If it wasn't for factoring many FO will be way above the maximum EASA flight limit. Should say limitS as in monthly, yearly both calendar and last 30/365 days.
Moral is low on 777, anger is very high.
Some people didn't see their family for more than a year now.
Wellness department (psychologists) are receiving more and more pilots. They tried to warn fleet. Fleet disregard those warning.
Only way now to get your leaves is to go see those shrinks and tell them that you cannot fly anymore. This may jeopardize your license but is the only wat right now.
HR is the biggest **** up in QR history, they should all burn in hell. Rumor is AB is very angry at them, curious to see what's gonna happen.
An other (confirmed) rumor which may also have implications, ministry of finance Ali Shareef al-Emadi (who's also QR chairman) is under arrest for suspected misuse of public funds and abuse of power. May have impact on QR ?
5. Rehiring will be on a experience based process, apparently NOT FLEET BASED... Which can make a tiny bit of sense, since the 330 guys for example were experienced but can now return even though the 330 is gone. But this will obviously create some issues within the pilot community. Knowing akbar airlines.... some stupidity will occur to anger most people.
9. 350 pilots are flying an unbelievable amount. Their rosters have been published late, because QA scheduling are struggling to keep planes in the sky. 350 pilots can expect to have an increase in hours from now! I can also confirm some older guys are leaving, because the work is getting way too much.
787 guys transfered to 777 around 80 of them. Some are already flying. They also transfered some 350 to 777 but training will take more time.
14. QA currently needs pilot and CC. It is not the stories people on this forum said months ago, that QA will need crew... that time has passed, and now they NEED crew. They are massively understaffed! This is going to cause a negative feedback loop. (In a few months time, someone should quote this here for me)
With the currently lack of crew, and the significant demand, the only option for them is to overwork the current pilots and CC, this will result in the exhaustion of the current workforce they have; resulting the the frustration and 'loss' (leave) of those who they currently have. Making the gap between the 'availability of crew' to 'demand of crew' bigger resulting in more over worked and more leaving increasing the gap even more. ( Negative feedback loop)
Most people on 777 didn't get any leaves since last February. We had 1 or 2 forced leaves last year, after 3 days (minimum rest) they were calling us back to fly.
Remaining leave balance from 2020-21 has been payed (even if that's totally illegal in regard of HR policy and Qatar labour law).
If it wasn't for factoring many FO will be way above the maximum EASA flight limit. Should say limitS as in monthly, yearly both calendar and last 30/365 days.
Moral is low on 777, anger is very high.
Some people didn't see their family for more than a year now.
Wellness department (psychologists) are receiving more and more pilots. They tried to warn fleet. Fleet disregard those warning.
Only way now to get your leaves is to go see those shrinks and tell them that you cannot fly anymore. This may jeopardize your license but is the only wat right now.
HR is the biggest **** up in QR history, they should all burn in hell. Rumor is AB is very angry at them, curious to see what's gonna happen.
An other (confirmed) rumor which may also have implications, ministry of finance Ali Shareef al-Emadi (who's also QR chairman) is under arrest for suspected misuse of public funds and abuse of power. May have impact on QR ?
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Compared with the target of this thread, it is.
Been in both, saw that... As I mentioned before, comparing the goat in most of its aspects with EK is like comparing EK to a decent Western company...
Been in both, saw that... As I mentioned before, comparing the goat in most of its aspects with EK is like comparing EK to a decent Western company...
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Try reading what I actually posted! I was talking about the trainers themselves. Not the department.
Maybe we should leave the QR thread to the QR people; my apologies to them for the creep south
Try reading what I actually posted! I was talking about the trainers themselves. Not the department.
Maybe we should leave the QR thread to the QR people; my apologies to them for the creep south
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as far as I heard, only the ones still in the cesspit with a valid RPs...
And of course, called for the PSA for now since the company is not sure if they're fit to work there...
And of course, called for the PSA for now since the company is not sure if they're fit to work there...
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