Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬
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Because they react with six months delay about anything...777 are getting grounded for lack of crew, ooooppps they fired too many...and the chief must be pretty uncomfortable loosing 100.000 usd per aircraft per day for every aeroplane sitting under the sun.
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I've never seen such a waste in my life, a total mess, absolute confusion, sending pilots with years and years of experience on Airbus to the B777, hopefully nothing will happen but this attitude is dangerous and not logical.Pilots from the 787 to 777 is more logical even if a big portion of them have no previous experience on those jets since they were recruited from 737 in below average companies, not to mention 787 cadets that are absolutely not ready for anything.
Qatar is the master of disorganization, they have close to zero respect for their active and ex crew, except the ones who have friends in the office and the Company will soon face massive delays in training thus leaving planes on the ground. Very poor managers here, usually they copy paste what EK does except this time, too bad for them.
Soon, when markets will recover, and they will, QR will be the last choice, exactly like in the past, I'm very curious to see from outside.
I've never seen such a waste in my life, a total mess, absolute confusion, sending pilots with years and years of experience on Airbus to the B777, hopefully nothing will happen but this attitude is dangerous and not logical.Pilots from the 787 to 777 is more logical even if a big portion of them have no previous experience on those jets since they were recruited from 737 in below average companies, not to mention 787 cadets that are absolutely not ready for anything.
Qatar is the master of disorganization, they have close to zero respect for their active and ex crew, except the ones who have friends in the office and the Company will soon face massive delays in training thus leaving planes on the ground. Very poor managers here, usually they copy paste what EK does except this time, too bad for them.
Soon, when markets will recover, and they will, QR will be the last choice, exactly like in the past, I'm very curious to see from outside.
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The cadet program applies only to yallah yallah locals. You can't call it of a real demand for pilots, only an attempt to make the locals doing something useful...
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What is interesting is airlines that did cadet SO compared to cadet FO. Not disputed the QR TRI claims but EK did ok with their cadets ( let's leave. 521out of this) . They increased the sectors under supervision and controlled destinations . Most that I flew with did well , 330 days !
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They did well? EK is one airline just doing the minimum.they believe you get a pilot by talking more in a briefing rather than showing it, put everybody on CBT and call it we educated them.
Other Airlines have somewhat up to 50 supervision sectors after the skills test and they don’t **** around in the sim. On the other hand you could call it a training. Because other airlines want candidates to succeed once they have selected them - this is a complete different story to what EK does
middle eastern airlines have nearly in nothing a consistency as they change their rules every day just to get airplanes flying - and training is not spared - the entey requirements have change in the past few years from astronaut to nearly being able to spell aviation
not that would be important but as a training Organisation a company should have a consistency and the willingness to get a output measurable on the same scale not driven by the luck of time and need
Just go and look what kind of fail pass rate companies like LH,AA,DL,DHL and so on have you would realize what training means and also see that EK is training wise extremely bad - just the people came their had been very good - but they were very good before EK, that’s the luck of EK that they have the people with the right attitude, and they have not been made by EK
Other Airlines have somewhat up to 50 supervision sectors after the skills test and they don’t **** around in the sim. On the other hand you could call it a training. Because other airlines want candidates to succeed once they have selected them - this is a complete different story to what EK does
middle eastern airlines have nearly in nothing a consistency as they change their rules every day just to get airplanes flying - and training is not spared - the entey requirements have change in the past few years from astronaut to nearly being able to spell aviation
not that would be important but as a training Organisation a company should have a consistency and the willingness to get a output measurable on the same scale not driven by the luck of time and need
Just go and look what kind of fail pass rate companies like LH,AA,DL,DHL and so on have you would realize what training means and also see that EK is training wise extremely bad - just the people came their had been very good - but they were very good before EK, that’s the luck of EK that they have the people with the right attitude, and they have not been made by EK
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WB1900: I'm going to call you out on your last post. You are talking rubbish. In all the years at EK I've maybe encountered two (of what I would call) bad trainers... The rest have been excellent, and doing their best to impart knowledge and improve the lot of the line pilots.
If you've had consistent issues, or your friends have, I would look closer to home, and not blame the training department or the TRI/TREs. NOTE! I AM NOT involved in that department and never have been! I have though been a TRE pre EK so I think I know what I'm talking about.
If you've had consistent issues, or your friends have, I would look closer to home, and not blame the training department or the TRI/TREs. NOTE! I AM NOT involved in that department and never have been! I have though been a TRE pre EK so I think I know what I'm talking about.
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i was involved in training as well and have never seen something similar before.
nevertheless just because you had a good expierence means that everyone else had it two. Talking about issues - I would say constant 4 and 5 in EK means something when talking about issues - but means nothing if u meet 2,3 individuals on the wrong day - which brings it down to luck - and a company like EK must not depend on luck on the day X
but that’s exactly the problem there. The history only counts to find something bad never for the good and again it’s easy to project your positive experience into something where the individuals have the problem and it’s always the candidate who is the problem never the trainer nor the Organisation behind
i could provide you with details if u are intressted but I am not going to share it here, so if u interested pm me - I can give u examples of actions and the grading as an outcome including the arguments involved
i was involved in training as well and have never seen something similar before.
nevertheless just because you had a good expierence means that everyone else had it two. Talking about issues - I would say constant 4 and 5 in EK means something when talking about issues - but means nothing if u meet 2,3 individuals on the wrong day - which brings it down to luck - and a company like EK must not depend on luck on the day X
but that’s exactly the problem there. The history only counts to find something bad never for the good and again it’s easy to project your positive experience into something where the individuals have the problem and it’s always the candidate who is the problem never the trainer nor the Organisation behind
i could provide you with details if u are intressted but I am not going to share it here, so if u interested pm me - I can give u examples of actions and the grading as an outcome including the arguments involved
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Interesting, pilot resignation these days means good chances not to find a job for some time regardless of fleet; so it is really true that in this airline salaries where so huge to enable being jobless for prolonged time. Good for this guys
Interesting, pilot resignation these days means good chances not to find a job for some time regardless of fleet; so it is really true that in this airline salaries where so huge to enable being jobless for prolonged time. Good for this guys