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Old 1st Jul 2020, 18:25
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For some people thats not always an option. Passports from third world countries especially. Home countries airlines not that great, no right to work and live in EU etc. and the cadetship was going good until the pandemic, which affected all kinds of pilots.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 20:22
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I think it was directed as a whole.. Doesn't matter if you're from a 3rd world (absolutely abhor that expression) or from 1st world, what Qatar was giving to SO is unheard of if not a national. In some 1st world countries, that is also unimaginable..

Bottom line is, I am shocked at how much pilots believe they are owed by other airlines of other countries on the basis of them being from these so called 1st world countries.. Why not go the normal route of flying as an instructor for however many years it takes to gain enough hours to be given a slight glimpse of a very slim chance of employment..
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 06:10
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Originally Posted by BOEMBUS View Post
I think it was directed as a whole.. Doesn't matter if you're from a 3rd world (absolutely abhor that expression) or from 1st world, what Qatar was giving to SO is unheard of if not a national. In some 1st world countries, that is also unimaginable..
Agree. It worked out quite well for many years.

Bottom line is, I am shocked at how much pilots believe they are owed by other airlines of other countries on the basis of them being from these so called 1st world countries..
Yes it is shocking, but very common unfortunately.

Why not go the normal route of flying as an instructor for however many years it takes to gain enough hours to be given a slight glimpse of a very slim chance of employment..
Iím sorry but that route has gone long ago. In Europe at least, you go for the instructor way if youíre unable to get into an airline (talking about established companies not P2F).

Not my opinion. Just stating a fact.

Getting back to the thread I heard of CP slightly over 60 summoned to tower 2.
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 14:31
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Which fleet was that?
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 15:25
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Hey Guys
Been in QR as FO for 5 years.
Last year transferred from A320 to A350, few days ago received a call .
I have few sick leaves, all issued by Qatar Clinic near QROC. Never had any issue during training,line check, No letters.
During second day (Returning uniforms) there was 24 pilots in my meeting room (there was 6 meeting room) . Only 787 / 350 Deck Crew. Captain Staff 5000(more than 18 years here) 108.000 (probably during probation period).
Talking to a 787 FO, been here for 4 years (staff 80.000) he got 4 days of sick leave. Thats all he got (he said).

Anyway, its pretty sad the way they are picking people, completely random. I have friends on 320/330/350 with activer warning letter, A LOT of sick days leave before/after leave,one of kidney issue the first sick leave he was 30 days out of roster.
Its not fair... and HR do not know how long the process will take, or how much you will receive...things they should have the answer right away. IF HR DOES NOT KNOW, imagine the answers I got from Accomodation,Staff Travel..

We flew during this whole moment, could get sick...but got fired.
The ones outside doha still have job. NOT FAIR, but that's life.
Anyway, that's all . Its sad, not fair, and lack of information for everyone, is driving people crazy.
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 15:50
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Originally Posted by QRAviator View Post
Which fleet was that?
787 fleet.
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Old 3rd Jul 2020, 00:19
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If redundancies are needed in any company, they need to be done quickly, so that the remaining staff aren't living with the threat of the axe over their heads and can move forward with some certainty. Dragging the process out only causes prolonged misery to everyone.
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Old 3rd Jul 2020, 12:04
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So if you're stuck out of Qatar you could be ok from redundancy? That sounds a bit strange the whole process.
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Old 3rd Jul 2020, 12:29
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Can you be fired whilst out of the country? It would be impossible to complete the formalities for one. Who's to say those pilots who are locked out of Qatar will survive the cull upon their return.
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Old 3rd Jul 2020, 19:04
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I understand your point of view, but its don't you think that is amazing that a cabin crew report because a flight deck complain its more important than his operational profile? Like Warning Letters, Re-tests, failures on line check LPC/OPC...

believe me, never complained about anything ...I don't like Indian cousine (pretty much the same everyday..."frittada or pancake", Chicken Tikka or Biryiani?").

Whats driving people insane, nobody know how many, which fleet, and the criteria.
for sure, we know, seniority is worthless.
And I don't have doubt that those who are out of the country when returning will have their job ...its random.
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 00:19
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Originally Posted by Silver68 View Post
Can you be fired whilst out of the country? It would be impossible to complete the formalities for one. Who's to say those pilots who are locked out of Qatar will survive the cull upon their return.
On the contrary Staff is resigning outstationĒ Many CC have resigned & were told by HR/Welfare their Friends can collect their stuff & EOSB.
Havenít heard as of today Employee being laid off while stuck outstation...
I did a month or so was told that some Chinese & Korean Crew were laid off outstation but I canít verify itĒ
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 14:07
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Have QR actually informed the pilots there of the selection criteria for redundancy or is it just totally random still?
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 17:25
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Nope nothing told. Criteria, fleet, how many, how long for the redundancy programme to continue, no communication. Even people who had the meetings, upon asking the same questions were told sorry can’t disclose.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 07:51
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Well thats how ppl have been terminated over there always. Not surprised it's how they are doing it now as well
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 12:27
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That's pretty disgusting to make people redundant and not inform them as to the reasons why they were selected. It doesn't take much effort to show a bit of professionalism and transparency in the process and in turn some compassion toward their employees. Good luck to all in QR, at least they seem to be flying more than most.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 10:36
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 10:54
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Originally Posted by QRAviator View Post
All Second Officers are wiped off (except 11 on 320 as of today morning). Total deck crew count- 3874.
Your modus operandi is resourceful but did you take into account that there is a significant proportion of Captains (mixed fleet trainers) who appear on both lists ie 380/320 etc.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 13:54
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Excel- Remove Duplicates
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 17:00
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Total waste of time. Could not ask any questions. More of the same from AAB.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 17:48
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So as Qatar opens its borders to resident permit holders on 1st August, how many of the stranded pilots have been notified they may return?
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