Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬
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It's not this guys fault for lowering conditions. The fact is, supply is vastly inflated from the kids willing to drop $150k on a CPL in the middle of a pandemic, egged on by flight schools whispering about industry growth forecasts; selling the dream.
And after you've dropped that $150k and realised you were sold a lie - sure, you'd be willing to work for less to get your foot on the ladder to rescue some of your investment over the long-term. That's understandable.
The solution isn't to flog these kids for daring to ask, it's to have training be matched to a job beforehand to ensure that Supply = Demand.
Unfortunately, both airlines and flight schools don't want that; There is no benefit at all for them. It'll take decades of the profession being viewed as a
& embarrassing job to stop that influx of wannabes.
Garbage collection is a surprisingly well paid job because of the negative stigma attached. Being a pilot will become an ever more poorly paid job because of the perceived glamour and positive stigma enjoyed in most parts of the World.
Just as Cabin Crew, you will always have the romantic side of travel luring kids to take a gamble on the profession. Who needs a salary when you have Instagram followers? Or when Daddy is a rich veteran expat in Doha.
And after you've dropped that $150k and realised you were sold a lie - sure, you'd be willing to work for less to get your foot on the ladder to rescue some of your investment over the long-term. That's understandable.
The solution isn't to flog these kids for daring to ask, it's to have training be matched to a job beforehand to ensure that Supply = Demand.
Unfortunately, both airlines and flight schools don't want that; There is no benefit at all for them. It'll take decades of the profession being viewed as a
& embarrassing job to stop that influx of wannabes.Garbage collection is a surprisingly well paid job because of the negative stigma attached. Being a pilot will become an ever more poorly paid job because of the perceived glamour and positive stigma enjoyed in most parts of the World.
Just as Cabin Crew, you will always have the romantic side of travel luring kids to take a gamble on the profession. Who needs a salary when you have Instagram followers? Or when Daddy is a rich veteran expat in Doha.
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Whenever i see SandPilot350 post something... i always say 'this going to be good to read,' you are a true blessing to this forum. Well done with the passing of information. I actually came on to describe the letters that were distributing. To those who would want this cleared up;
NEW SALARY & STAFF NUMBERS to those who ALREADY obtained FINAL SETTLEMENT and left the country already. From what I gathered, this will include the guys who were recently sent home (31st May) but are able to keep their RP's. This does not mean lower salaries that those who are currently flying. eg. When you start the airline as a FO let's say you get 23000qar, and you spent X number of years whereby you got your yearly increase that brought you up to 30000qar a month... but you got redundant and finished your finial settlements then..yes... now you come back as staff number 109000 and restart at a pay of 23000qar. It would be like you rejoined the airline like new.
Those who are looking to come back to QA... keep looking else where...do not wait for their call...and if they do and you have a job...dont be tempted by the money... trust me...
If i remember, in the past...you had a specific time limit whereby you can come back and maintain your position in the company, but seems like they may have gotten rid of that amid the pandemic...
JUst some updates...(please comment on if you heard these, can confirm, can deny);
*all fleets bleeding crew
*all fleets overworked
*787,777,320 pilots have been reinstated both from outside QR and who were still inside (350 hires)
*everyone who had been fired have left by now
*rehiring is a SLOW process, it seems that it was mainly for PR, because office staff can tell you... loads and possibilities do not seems to be improving. PR because as you have seen AB recently had a interview with simple flying and he got to talk about how generous his airline is because they are rehiring
*US market is killing it! doing well! EU i am hoping will pick up heavily by summer domestically and sep to dec internationally.
*order on planes are coming.... apparently there are issues currently with AB and Airbus with some plane... a defect/problem he is keeping quiet... but i believe it is the 320 neos and their fuel burn... they way airbus lied to them about the 350...
* 350 are coming in as fast as possible.... honestly i believe this is to not allow EK to gain any 350's... that will be a hard hit for QA as it will leach pilots from QR and trust me...people will leave to go... but with airlines in the world giving up 350s we can expect QA to buy more than anticipated and claim they love the aircraft for fuel efficiency or some BS, but we all that it is because of EK
*320 neos... 50 on order...with LR arriving no XLR... where are they..who knows?
to talk about the elephant in the room.... alphadelta1 .... I am sorry, but i do not expect QA to take new pilots now... they currently need to take redundant...then pool...then their qatari MPL, non qatar MPL, SO on CPL and prob only then consider new hires.... I feel bad for you new pilots because as someone said.. the schools sell a dream that there is a need for bodies in the industry.. but the reality is, it is experience pilots... not out of school pilots... what the schools dont tell you...out of school you need to get experience then youll be in demand...
But guys and gals we dont need to be sooo hard on him. He is looking for information, at a point in time we all were in the same boat and we would have loved to have experience guys talk to us.. not to give us for not knowing... where is your CRM? dont bring that old fashion captain rubbish guys... we are all better than that... from everyone in this forum... I am sorry we didnt handle your question better....
AD, the market now is terrible.... you like many others will love to fly, but things are a bit unpredictable right now... but keep with it... stay away from those P2F programs, rather do some single engine stuff, instructing, etc.. build from there... the flight school still selling this we need pilot dream...so they will hire instructors as amazing as it will be... your 1st job wont be with an airline...especially as big as QA... unless you are MPL...which is something i still do not recommend... to the MPLs...excellent program (no offence, but better than CPL pilots) but you are in a terrible situation NOW.
good luck out there everyone... keep the post coming...
NEW SALARY & STAFF NUMBERS to those who ALREADY obtained FINAL SETTLEMENT and left the country already. From what I gathered, this will include the guys who were recently sent home (31st May) but are able to keep their RP's. This does not mean lower salaries that those who are currently flying. eg. When you start the airline as a FO let's say you get 23000qar, and you spent X number of years whereby you got your yearly increase that brought you up to 30000qar a month... but you got redundant and finished your finial settlements then..yes... now you come back as staff number 109000 and restart at a pay of 23000qar. It would be like you rejoined the airline like new.
Those who are looking to come back to QA... keep looking else where...do not wait for their call...and if they do and you have a job...dont be tempted by the money... trust me...
If i remember, in the past...you had a specific time limit whereby you can come back and maintain your position in the company, but seems like they may have gotten rid of that amid the pandemic...
JUst some updates...(please comment on if you heard these, can confirm, can deny);
*all fleets bleeding crew
*all fleets overworked
*787,777,320 pilots have been reinstated both from outside QR and who were still inside (350 hires)
*everyone who had been fired have left by now
*rehiring is a SLOW process, it seems that it was mainly for PR, because office staff can tell you... loads and possibilities do not seems to be improving. PR because as you have seen AB recently had a interview with simple flying and he got to talk about how generous his airline is because they are rehiring
*US market is killing it! doing well! EU i am hoping will pick up heavily by summer domestically and sep to dec internationally.
*order on planes are coming.... apparently there are issues currently with AB and Airbus with some plane... a defect/problem he is keeping quiet... but i believe it is the 320 neos and their fuel burn... they way airbus lied to them about the 350...
* 350 are coming in as fast as possible.... honestly i believe this is to not allow EK to gain any 350's... that will be a hard hit for QA as it will leach pilots from QR and trust me...people will leave to go... but with airlines in the world giving up 350s we can expect QA to buy more than anticipated and claim they love the aircraft for fuel efficiency or some BS, but we all that it is because of EK
*320 neos... 50 on order...with LR arriving no XLR... where are they..who knows?
to talk about the elephant in the room.... alphadelta1 .... I am sorry, but i do not expect QA to take new pilots now... they currently need to take redundant...then pool...then their qatari MPL, non qatar MPL, SO on CPL and prob only then consider new hires.... I feel bad for you new pilots because as someone said.. the schools sell a dream that there is a need for bodies in the industry.. but the reality is, it is experience pilots... not out of school pilots... what the schools dont tell you...out of school you need to get experience then youll be in demand...
But guys and gals we dont need to be sooo hard on him. He is looking for information, at a point in time we all were in the same boat and we would have loved to have experience guys talk to us.. not to give us
for not knowing... where is your CRM? dont bring that old fashion captain rubbish guys... we are all better than that... from everyone in this forum... I am sorry we didnt handle your question better....AD, the market now is terrible.... you like many others will love to fly, but things are a bit unpredictable right now... but keep with it... stay away from those P2F programs, rather do some single engine stuff, instructing, etc.. build from there... the flight school still selling this we need pilot dream...so they will hire instructors as amazing as it will be... your 1st job wont be with an airline...especially as big as QA... unless you are MPL...which is something i still do not recommend... to the MPLs...excellent program (no offence, but better than CPL pilots) but you are in a terrible situation NOW.
good luck out there everyone... keep the post coming...
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Hey Guys so I have been asking for a while on here if there has been any word on 350 rehire, I have received reliable info that there is no intention to rehire 350 Capts that were let go, nothing on 350 FO’s at this stage.
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I want to know who is the brains behind this b/t because it looks to me like HR **** sorry scenario,that was signed some time ago and now they can’t stop it because there is no procedure.
Same with the redundancies on autopilot even after the blockade resolution and the vaccination campaign.
I want to know who is the brains behind this b/t because it looks to me like HR **** sorry scenario,that was signed some time ago and now they can’t stop it because there is no procedure.
Same with the redundancies on autopilot even after the blockade resolution and the vaccination campaign.
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If no bond is placed on rehired, redundant pilot, how many days have to laps from the final line check, before we can handle the resignation letter to QA?
I guess with the money they offer, no health insurance (aka Al Koot) and low morale, it only makes sense to return to QA just to refresh you type rating and the medical on company's expense.
Then just show them the middle finger and run.
I guess with the money they offer, no health insurance (aka Al Koot) and low morale, it only makes sense to return to QA just to refresh you type rating and the medical on company's expense.
Then just show them the middle finger and run.
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it is good that those photos above are posted. People have to know what QR is and how it treated pilots who used to fly safely hundreds of thousands of people.
Pilots should not consider rejoining this dreary place unless they have no other option at home or anywhere else
they treat you like an airplane part and not as a pilot. I was lucky to find a place to work back home and left on my own after being a year away from my country.
Guys who are still there get encouraged to leave from that company who only knows to humiliate their most valuable assets. the people who get the maximum stress to fly those airplanes under the strictest management that possibly exists on planet earth.
QROC advertisments. "do not hesitate to go around for any reason". then you go around - you are screwed hahaha. Insane, just wrote a basic example. Attrition before COVID was about 300 pilots a year ! that is not normal
half of them would leave on their own and half would get terminated. The whole place used to suck even before. Rosters are a piece of.. s.... unless you are desperate... rosters that a normal human being cannot handle because of fatigue. Then you report fatigue .... oh sir please come to the office to explain us.. hahahahahahahaaha
Congratulations to sandpilot350 for posting the above photos
Pilots should not consider rejoining this dreary place unless they have no other option at home or anywhere else
they treat you like an airplane part and not as a pilot. I was lucky to find a place to work back home and left on my own after being a year away from my country.
Guys who are still there get encouraged to leave from that company who only knows to humiliate their most valuable assets. the people who get the maximum stress to fly those airplanes under the strictest management that possibly exists on planet earth.
QROC advertisments. "do not hesitate to go around for any reason". then you go around - you are screwed hahaha. Insane, just wrote a basic example. Attrition before COVID was about 300 pilots a year ! that is not normal
half of them would leave on their own and half would get terminated. The whole place used to suck even before. Rosters are a piece of.. s.... unless you are desperate... rosters that a normal human being cannot handle because of fatigue. Then you report fatigue .... oh sir please come to the office to explain us.. hahahahahahahaaha
Congratulations to sandpilot350 for posting the above photos
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Hi Guys,
I can't believe what I'm reading right now about the salary discrepancies between FDC. What to say, it's a shame. They just fired to rehire. Now, it's obvious they planned it this way to balance their annual "budget".
I hope the pilots will revenge and resign massively during this world cup. Hopefully during layover
I can't believe what I'm reading right now about the salary discrepancies between FDC. What to say, it's a shame. They just fired to rehire. Now, it's obvious they planned it this way to balance their annual "budget".
I hope the pilots will revenge and resign massively during this world cup. Hopefully during layover
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Yep, flying FOs who earn more than I do. This is short term for me. I, like many others, have no intention of staying long term. As soon as a job becomes available we're off.
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Considering lateral head shakers' mentality they might bring the salaries back to normal (prepandemic levels) when markets go back to normal and expect people forget the past and stay there.. 
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It so interesting to see most, if not all Facebook groups linked to Qatar Airways are quiet lately.
Everybody is so scared to make any comments.
Arabs, you must be proud of yourself for spreading this fear factor.
But remember, when the music stops playing, you will have to park your Land Cruisers and hose off your camels to visit cousins.
To all foreigners in Qatar. Right now we all have to face difficult time, but the Middle East has nothing to offer anymore.
The flying will open again and we all will find jobs where we will be treated with dignity and respect.
Don't expect much from the nation where to enforce the traffic rules, they have to install the speed bumps.
Everybody is so scared to make any comments.
Arabs, you must be proud of yourself for spreading this fear factor.
But remember, when the music stops playing, you will have to park your Land Cruisers and hose off your camels to visit cousins.
To all foreigners in Qatar. Right now we all have to face difficult time, but the Middle East has nothing to offer anymore.
The flying will open again and we all will find jobs where we will be treated with dignity and respect.
Don't expect much from the nation where to enforce the traffic rules, they have to install the speed bumps.
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Good point about the fleet transfer from 320->777..
but who in right mind would even consider that kind
of change. If you want to kill yourself believe me there
is easier option available.
From the donkey show, tons of emails about fleet transfers and grounding 350’s without any reason effecting airplane to fly but as we know this is normal for the airline who believes it should be painted with halal paint . Anyways : Anyone who knows what happened to our golden days? as haven’t seen them lately? Everyone knows about the salary crap ongoing plus triple guys got paid all their holidays as productive from the basic holidays in this company should be worth 5 or 10times of the money.. no one in their right mind would never accept pro-rated from the monthly basic..
fleet transfers : wtf no one in this world is that stupid to move to triple with the current situation.. flying 120-140hrs a month is not legal anywhere except doha as the QA = QCAA .. EASA compliant is the biggest joke in history of aviation when company itself can modify the rules as they wish
and the new rules .. new acn doesn’t apply for all nationalities as our Instagram pilots continue to show off just a note for you guys.. it’s a airplane and a job! No one give a about your circus around but remember while drinking abroad you should keep your pants on while visiting the malls is doha! Welcome to Stone Age.
but who in right mind would even consider that kind
of change. If you want to kill yourself believe me there
is easier option available.
From the donkey show, tons of emails about fleet transfers and grounding 350’s without any reason effecting airplane to fly but as we know this is normal for the airline who believes it should be painted with halal paint . Anyways : Anyone who knows what happened to our golden days? as haven’t seen them lately? Everyone knows about the salary crap ongoing plus triple guys got paid all their holidays as productive from the basic holidays in this company should be worth 5 or 10times of the money.. no one in their right mind would never accept pro-rated from the monthly basic..
fleet transfers : wtf no one in this world is that stupid to move to triple with the current situation.. flying 120-140hrs a month is not legal anywhere except doha as the QA = QCAA .. EASA compliant is the biggest joke in history of aviation when company itself can modify the rules as they wish
and the new rules .. new acn doesn’t apply for all nationalities as our Instagram pilots continue to show off just a note for you guys.. it’s a airplane and a job! No one give a
about your circus around but remember while drinking abroad you should keep your pants on while visiting the malls is doha! Welcome to Stone Age.