Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬
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Habibti says that Chief is pissed of at HR for Pilot Shortage, She said Chief said “Find him Pilots” Hr proposed that to cut off routes for summers & per day cost of not utilizing 777s is 100,000$ , she went to say, HR is in Deep 
along with Fleet Managers.
This was bound to happen
B777 commander getting 150hrs out of which 60-70hrs TRI in the sim ... Fatigued FD Crew we have- QR has lost his moral standing among the staff & the way they were treated & humiliated.
along with Fleet Managers.This was bound to happen
B777 commander getting 150hrs out of which 60-70hrs TRI in the sim ... Fatigued FD Crew we have- QR has lost his moral standing among the staff & the way they were treated & humiliated.
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Wouldn't shed a single tear for any of the above "in Deep " group, honestly.
Chief has little to complain since "" din't happen in a day or two, it's almost a year that QR is firing pilots like there is no tomorrow. Does he really realize only now the consequences ?
We should present him with a lifetime subscription to PPRune, because it has all been written in here for months. Vaccines are going since December, would he expect to take 5 years for things to pick up pace again? Why didn't he use any possible form of unpaid leave to keep the most expensive of his human asset?
doesn't fly, as every Pilot ( capital p) knows; throw up in the air and its gonna fall down on your head.
" group, honestly.Chief has little to complain since "
" din't happen in a day or two, it's almost a year that QR is firing pilots like there is no tomorrow. Does he really realize only now the consequences ?We should present him with a lifetime subscription to PPRune, because it has all been written in here for months. Vaccines are going since December, would he expect to take 5 years for things to pick up pace again? Why didn't he use any possible form of unpaid leave to keep the most expensive of his human asset?
doesn't fly, as every Pilot ( capital p) knows; throw up in the air and its gonna fall down on your head.
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I have a good friend who is on his final week....resigned without any job leads. He liked it there and had actually tried to discouraged me from leaving a year ago when I switched jobs. Now he says it is just that bad....constant fatigue and no carrot, just threats. Also hearing about many fuel emergencies because guys are afraid to take 1 drop extra for fear of losing their jobs. Doha has a beautiful airport and works well 99% of time but when a cb rolls across the little country ATC quickly becomes overwhelmed......just sad to see people have to be so fearful to make safe decisions.
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If a professional pilot is declaring an emergency because he or she was too afraid to carry above minimum fuel they need to have a long hard chat with themselves, and if it happens more than once they should be stripped of their rank when they get back on the ground. In all airlines there are fuel misers and I'm sure we have all listened to obnoxious desk pilots who never fly about how reliable the minimum fuel figures are 99% of the time... my response? That's cool but I remember how it feels the 1% of the time it doesn't work out.
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Very well said... can't remember last time I took off taking only minimum fuel, and in 20 years it never cost my job nor got called to give any explanation. But lost count of how many times I was glad I did bring along that little extra fuel. In my humble opinion the trick is to not overdue it, this will keep you under the radar but at the same time save you some headaches form time to time. I know the company will never really agree to that and on paper everyone flying on minimum fuel as much as possible will always bring best financial results even if some flights are to be diverted, but screw them... I just wanna do my job as relaxed as possible to be able to make better decisions when things don't go according to the flight plan.
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Totally agree. My response to anyone who insists on minimum fuel all the time is quite simple:
'Taking a little extra may cost a little more but not taking enough can get real expensive, real quick.'
'Taking a little extra may cost a little more but not taking enough can get real expensive, real quick.'
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I always laughed...yes every college intern can calculate how much it cost to carry an extra ton of fuel per said flight...it’s on the flight plan. But they never mention how much it cost when a flight has to divert, and possibly the crew will exceed their max duty and passengers have to be accommodated etc... and this isn’t even considering the safety of the flight as cnn so accurately reported “ the 777 struggles to maintain altitude once the fuel tanks are empty”
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Commercial departments DO do that calculation, and for most operations, the cost of routinely carrying excess fuel for no good reason, exceeds the marginal cost of an occasional diversion .
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"the cost of routinely carrying excess fuel" translated means the additional fuel deemed necessary by the captain to conduct the flight safely and incorporates any additional factors that flight planning have omitted to do, such as busy arrival times at Doha, routinely being held at a lower flight level.... the list is endless.
Just because additional fuel is not utilised does not mean that it is a frivolous waste of company money. For me, it is good economic sense to plan for such events and prevent unnecessary diversions etc.
Just because additional fuel is not utilised does not mean that it is a frivolous waste of company money. For me, it is good economic sense to plan for such events and prevent unnecessary diversions etc.
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Extra Fuel uplift at the end of the day is at the discretion of the commander, but a proper analysis of the weather, peculiarities of the route, and arrival time at destination among others should be considered.
I have found that all of these are already taken into account. On the days that I need extra, it usually has already been added by dispatch. And then there are those who uplift willy nilly to the detriment of the operation.
I have found that all of these are already taken into account. On the days that I need extra, it usually has already been added by dispatch. And then there are those who uplift willy nilly to the detriment of the operation.
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They have insurance for the aeroplane hull and other liabilities in the event of an accident. Our job as pilots is to conduct the flight safely and that includes the 'fuel insurance' of having adequate fuel in the tanks when the plan doesn't go according the the expected plan.
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Well... since we had an excellent diversion on the forum discussing about fuel, let us take a step back into the realm of rumors, jobs, firing, hiring, salaries, etc.
Things that I have heard;
1. Most of the boeing guys contacted, have not returned to the airline yet and the communication between QA and the outside boring pilots have gone cold. Makes it seem that the airline was dipping their feet into the water just to see who they are able to get back when they require. Once again, QA doing some to someone...
2. Those who are called back ( Who QA has kept in contact with) have not or find it difficult to get RPs to enter Doha.
3. Is anyone aware if QA has pilots who are currently in Doha still fired?
4. Approval for the Flight Deck rehiring has been approved end of April, meaning that we should start to see an increase in rehiring
5. Rehiring will be on a experience based process, apparently NOT FLEET BASED... Which can make a tiny bit of sense, since the 330 guys for example were experienced but can now return even though the 330 is gone. But this will obviously create some issues within the pilot community. Knowing akbar airlines.... some stupidity will occur to anger most people.
6. Cabin crew - what ever is going on with them makes ZERO sense! The are firing and rehiring. This is because they are apparently desperate for them, but separations team did not get the memo (typical communication issues) so after getting fired, a few days/weeks they are getting called back, with a 'warning letter' to sign.... I have no idea why this letter exist but i can confirm it. Can anyone explain?
7. As always mentioned 777 NEED pilots! Cargo department are begging for cargo to be moved. They have the birds on ground, but no one to fly it.
8. 320 has been progressively restarting operations. My prediction is all those new flights to KSA, UAE, etc. which restarted this year ( where QA wanted to show that they could swing their big by sending their wide body planes [777, 787, 350] ) would be finally reconverted to 320 flights. European flights have officially gone back to 320.
9. 350 pilots are flying an unbelievable amount. Their rosters have been published late, because QA scheduling are struggling to keep planes in the sky. 350 pilots can expect to have an increase in hours from now! I can also confirm some older guys are leaving, because the work is getting way too much.
10. 380 still have not restarted, it was expect to by April, but delays delays... strangely enough emirates are bringing them back in heavy force and have been showing some sign of positivity. This does show some demand for travel in the world.
11. 787 Heard nothing really.
12. If there are any MPL pilots (non-qataris) can you please say something? Have anyone been called? Messaged? Emailed? Contacted? Also the if you are a CPL SO, if you say something it will be greatly appreciated!
13. India and their massive C19 problem is a significant problem for QA. India was a HUGE market for us! Airlines are expecting once things fix there the gulf carriers will be in a much better position, hence companies like QA would/will/have send/sent needed resources for them. For the Indians reading this, please get your together. not only for QA but their is a large number of deaths in the country and many suffering. It hurts my heart to hear/see this. I wish India and all countries in the would a speedy recovery. Let us get out of this pandemic!
13. The sheik just paid off the debts of many in qatar for the month of Ramadan! Very generous of him! But read the article a little more you will realize it is ONLY for qataris. Anyone living in qatar will expect this... my point being, expect that akbar himself got a few billion dollars injected into his airline as a Ramadan gift. Don't get this idea that QA is struggling for money...
14. QA currently needs pilot and CC. It is not the stories people on this forum said months ago, that QA will need crew... that time has passed, and now they NEED crew. They are massively understaffed! This is going to cause a negative feedback loop. (In a few months time, someone should quote this here for me)
With the currently lack of crew, and the significant demand, the only option for them is to overwork the current pilots and CC, this will result in the exhaustion of the current workforce they have; resulting the the frustration and 'loss' (leave) of those who they currently have. Making the gap between the 'availability of crew' to 'demand of crew' bigger resulting in more over worked and more leaving increasing the gap even more. ( Negative feedback loop)
What is going on in HR is they are walking on tip-toes. They are scared to hire more staff and then the demand doesn't present itself, then they will have an excess of crew. Hence they are just contacting some ex-staff and saying ' do you want to come back' At the same time, they know that if the demand does come they will need these people but they believe they can get back crew in a matter of weeks! Oh how they are mistaken!
It is Ramadan, let us see how good akbar and his loyal followers are. In such a kind and giving month, stop firing, start rehiring! it will be not only the better option for you, but for the airline as well...
Checking the forums, i have noticed that we have not been posting much. I do encourage every and anyone to post. Being in a pandemic, some may be without jobs and some may be in quarantine (both here in Doha and in other countries in the world) this forum may be a beacon of hope to people who read it! Anything you say here is safe and people do appreciate it! To all the Muslims here, Happy Ramadan and Eid!
Things that I have heard;
1. Most of the boeing guys contacted, have not returned to the airline yet and the communication between QA and the outside boring pilots have gone cold. Makes it seem that the airline was dipping their feet into the water just to see who they are able to get back when they require. Once again, QA doing some
to someone...2. Those who are called back ( Who QA has kept in contact with) have not or find it difficult to get RPs to enter Doha.
3. Is anyone aware if QA has pilots who are currently in Doha still fired?
4. Approval for the Flight Deck rehiring has been approved end of April, meaning that we should start to see an increase in rehiring
5. Rehiring will be on a experience based process, apparently NOT FLEET BASED... Which can make a tiny bit of sense, since the 330 guys for example were experienced but can now return even though the 330 is gone. But this will obviously create some issues within the pilot community. Knowing akbar airlines.... some stupidity will occur to anger most people.
6. Cabin crew - what ever is going on with them makes ZERO sense! The are firing and rehiring. This is because they are apparently desperate for them, but separations team did not get the memo (typical communication issues) so after getting fired, a few days/weeks they are getting called back, with a 'warning letter' to sign.... I have no idea why this letter exist but i can confirm it. Can anyone explain?
7. As always mentioned 777 NEED pilots! Cargo department are begging for cargo to be moved. They have the birds on ground, but no one to fly it.
8. 320 has been progressively restarting operations. My prediction is all those new flights to KSA, UAE, etc. which restarted this year ( where QA wanted to show that they could swing their big
by sending their wide body planes [777, 787, 350] ) would be finally reconverted to 320 flights. European flights have officially gone back to 320.9. 350 pilots are flying an unbelievable amount. Their rosters have been published late, because QA scheduling are struggling to keep planes in the sky. 350 pilots can expect to have an increase in hours from now! I can also confirm some older guys are leaving, because the work is getting way too much.
10. 380 still have not restarted, it was expect to by April, but delays delays... strangely enough emirates are bringing them back in heavy force and have been showing some sign of positivity. This does show some demand for travel in the world.
11. 787 Heard nothing really.
12. If there are any MPL pilots (non-qataris) can you please say something? Have anyone been called? Messaged? Emailed? Contacted? Also the if you are a CPL SO, if you say something it will be greatly appreciated!
13. India and their massive C19 problem is a significant problem for QA. India was a HUGE market for us! Airlines are expecting once things fix there the gulf carriers will be in a much better position, hence companies like QA would/will/have send/sent needed resources for them. For the Indians reading this, please get your
together. not only for QA but their is a large number of deaths in the country and many suffering. It hurts my heart to hear/see this. I wish India and all countries in the would a speedy recovery. Let us get out of this pandemic!13. The sheik just paid off the debts of many in qatar for the month of Ramadan! Very generous of him! But read the article a little more you will realize it is ONLY for qataris. Anyone living in qatar will expect this... my point being, expect that akbar himself got a few billion dollars injected into his airline as a Ramadan gift. Don't get this idea that QA is struggling for money...
14. QA currently needs pilot and CC. It is not the stories people on this forum said months ago, that QA will need crew... that time has passed, and now they NEED crew. They are massively understaffed! This is going to cause a negative feedback loop. (In a few months time, someone should quote this here for me)
With the currently lack of crew, and the significant demand, the only option for them is to overwork the current pilots and CC, this will result in the exhaustion of the current workforce they have; resulting the the frustration and 'loss' (leave) of those who they currently have. Making the gap between the 'availability of crew' to 'demand of crew' bigger resulting in more over worked and more leaving increasing the gap even more. ( Negative feedback loop)
What is going on in HR is they are walking on tip-toes. They are scared to hire more staff and then the demand doesn't present itself, then they will have an excess of crew. Hence they are just contacting some ex-staff and saying ' do you want to come back' At the same time, they know that if the demand does come they will need these people but they believe they can get back crew in a matter of weeks! Oh how they are mistaken!
It is Ramadan, let us see how good akbar and his loyal followers are. In such a kind and giving month, stop firing, start rehiring! it will be not only the better option for you, but for the airline as well...
Checking the forums, i have noticed that we have not been posting much. I do encourage every and anyone to post. Being in a pandemic, some may be without jobs and some may be in quarantine (both here in Doha and in other countries in the world) this forum may be a beacon of hope to people who read it! Anything you say here is safe and people do appreciate it! To all the Muslims here, Happy Ramadan and Eid!
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This is a traffic forecast for a MAJOR EUROPEAN AIRPORT that before the pandemic used to be served with 3 daily flights, normally two 787 and one 777 in winter and two 777 and one 787 in summer.
Full recovery is not even envisaged for the next 5 years.
Check especially the load factors.
It can be either dreary, assuming the redaction is vaguely realistic, or simply ridiculous if what everyone else’s is saying is mildly accurate.
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Non Qatari MPL here- No contact in any form for anyone. Sometime in February they fired rest of the 320 FOs who came out of the cadet programme going back as far as joining year-2017. The recent Qatari MPL programme advertised was just a huge kick in the gut and have no idea what to make of it. All the loans/mortgage for most of us has to be somehow repaid to banks and with no clear idea of what future looks like for anyone. Will never understand how did HR never think about the massive bonds tied with every single cadet which just got waived off upon separation.
When you say seniority wise recalling- is it in descending order? Most experienced first?
When you say seniority wise recalling- is it in descending order? Most experienced first?