Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬
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Fleet change in QR is usually given to spies as a gift for being coward enough to report other colleagues and of course to friends, without any consideration on meritocracy.
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Tell your "friend" : 30th of February. Will be included in the package a real "no blame policy" and "just culture".
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i llke the sense of humour.What part of QDC (the only booze shop in Qatar, for those eligible) did he visit beforehand. The erosion to pay and conditions will continue.A buddy sent me a WhatsApp to say he just resigned ,last few days, and had 90 days to go.Next day he sent another Whatsapp, 89 days to go.Asked why?, he said “ i have had enough”. He has no job to go to.There must be more, in the same position. Sad 😢 news
i llke the sense of humour.What part of QDC (the only booze shop in Qatar, for those eligible) did he visit beforehand. The erosion to pay and conditions will continue.A buddy sent me a WhatsApp to say he just resigned ,last few days, and had 90 days to go.Next day he sent another Whatsapp, 89 days to go.Asked why?, he said “ i have had enough”. He has no job to go to.There must be more, in the same position. Sad 😢 news
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For those of us, who were regretfully informed that our service with the company is no longer required and THEY wish us all the best for our future endeavors, I would like to say "take it lightly".
Life goes beyond the sand box. When Arabs wake up with shortage of pilots, the rest of the World will be on race to hire everyone of us who where unwanted here.
There is a light at the end of this tunnel. While I am packing, I still visit to QDC, but after I leave, I will close the door and I never look back.
They fired me once, I will not give them the second satisfaction.
Life goes beyond the sand box. When Arabs wake up with shortage of pilots, the rest of the World will be on race to hire everyone of us who where unwanted here.
There is a light at the end of this tunnel. While I am packing, I still visit to QDC, but after I leave, I will close the door and I never look back.
They fired me once, I will not give them the second satisfaction.
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Speaking of 'quality', last month they had, together with many many other issues, a stick shaker during climb out on a 777, this is what you get when you let monkeys play with sophisticated toys, good luck with that.
Right after I joined, during my double crew flights, I saw that a good 50% of the Captains was inadequate for that type of operations, poor standard, poor airmanship, poor skills and guess what ? Poor english. They started hiring quality guys since 2018 then, with poor judgement, they made them redundant and even worst, among them, some of the best instructors they had with 10/15 years seniority; Poor management, poor manpower.
I wonder what is AB doing sitting on his chair, letting those incompetent ruin the Company.
Right after I joined, during my double crew flights, I saw that a good 50% of the Captains was inadequate for that type of operations, poor standard, poor airmanship, poor skills and guess what ? Poor english. They started hiring quality guys since 2018 then, with poor judgement, they made them redundant and even worst, among them, some of the best instructors they had with 10/15 years seniority; Poor management, poor manpower.
I wonder what is AB doing sitting on his chair, letting those incompetent ruin the Company.
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Letters went out today releasing many of us who were in the onboarding process a year ago.
Many of us had resigned our present jobs only days later to be told courses cancelled.
We are all victims in this... I refuse to point fingers but it's another sad example of the brutality of this industry that I have such a love hate relationship with.
A ten second email to change the life of a family forever.
Good luck everyone, all we have is our word and compassion to each other, bc the companies of the world have none of it.
Many of us had resigned our present jobs only days later to be told courses cancelled.
We are all victims in this... I refuse to point fingers but it's another sad example of the brutality of this industry that I have such a love hate relationship with.
A ten second email to change the life of a family forever.
Good luck everyone, all we have is our word and compassion to each other, bc the companies of the world have none of it.
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Dear Captain777x,
First of all thank you for posting that stick shaker issues have also occurred in the past. I was not aware of it. However it is good you mentioned here so I will never send again my family to board a QR airplane.
Aviateur86 didn’t say anything wrong. He just exposed the reality.
I personally know people who came here with an English level 4 and when the time for their re testing came, they failed. Company gave them a second chance to manage a Level 4 and they continued flying. In addition to that they would complain. As far as you say those people speak many languages I doubt if apart from their poor English they can even speak properly their native languages. Both of them that I know they still fly while great people who were much more qualified have left.
You mention that the dangerous ones are spotted with time and kicked out .. Do you work at QR ? You should know that pilots who were involved in very serious events still fly. I know with details serious mishaps that have taken place and they did not get fired either because of their nationality or because one of them was friend with …If you want details and names I can pm.
So why are you being aggressive and with such an attitude when other people just reveal the truth ? Nothing is wrong with that. All the people who read this forum know what is going on with this flying circus.
First of all thank you for posting that stick shaker issues have also occurred in the past. I was not aware of it. However it is good you mentioned here so I will never send again my family to board a QR airplane.
Aviateur86 didn’t say anything wrong. He just exposed the reality.
I personally know people who came here with an English level 4 and when the time for their re testing came, they failed. Company gave them a second chance to manage a Level 4 and they continued flying. In addition to that they would complain. As far as you say those people speak many languages I doubt if apart from their poor English they can even speak properly their native languages. Both of them that I know they still fly while great people who were much more qualified have left.
You mention that the dangerous ones are spotted with time and kicked out .. Do you work at QR ? You should know that pilots who were involved in very serious events still fly. I know with details serious mishaps that have taken place and they did not get fired either because of their nationality or because one of them was friend with …If you want details and names I can pm.
So why are you being aggressive and with such an attitude when other people just reveal the truth ? Nothing is wrong with that. All the people who read this forum know what is going on with this flying circus.
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A stick shaker event isn’t the end of the world and could have had many causes, its how it is dealt with thats important. Without the context its only half the story.
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Fired600, I agree with you as long as it does not happen often, if it happens often then it starts becoming a concern
The problem is that much more serious mishaps have happened here and those people still fly .....
and the will fly .. and fly... and fly....
I even know people who couldn't understand company ACNs because of their English and they are still here while decent British guys have left. (I am not British)
So what Captain777x wrote is out of any reality..
The problem is that much more serious mishaps have happened here and those people still fly .....
and the will fly .. and fly... and fly....
I even know people who couldn't understand company ACNs because of their English and they are still here while decent British guys have left. (I am not British)
So what Captain777x wrote is out of any reality..
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EK is no different! Depending on nationality/ 3rd floor connections some very serious incidents were " dealt with " and many weak pilots still flying . Technology has kept many aircraft from crashing despite some clowns doing there best to put it in the ground .
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Poor captain x, with your "I'm new here" profile, desperately trying to be wise without success.
Apart from the part where you say that events occur, which is correct, the rest is already answered by you with " The way events are dealt with". Who am I to judge ? Nobody. Who am I to express my opinion ? A professional pilot with a capital P and no, I don't compare myself with the average QR pilot, no thank you.
I don't judge, I observe, sometimes from behind, in the sim and on board and I can tell you that what I see is not what is meant to be, not in a Company that big. I saw Captains messing up a simple star flown with VNAV, landing with no charts in view and many other "pearls" that are absolutely not acceptable, well, those champions are still there and others are gone for no reason, if this was my company I would've chosen the others with due respect but, as you well know, having friends or being a spy offers advantages.
We all know that pilots come from different nationalities, backgrounds, training and experience, this doesn't justify poor airmanship or poor skills and if those guys speak "at least one more language more than me" as you say, they're still dangerous and please help us understand, what are they supposed to do with those extra languages ? Tell us, we are curious.
At the end of the day Qatar made amazing instructors and pilot redundant and, as far as I know, kept many below average on board.I am not talking about everyone of course, I've also seen very professional pilots there but a big part of the others are a mess to the point that I wouldn't let my family fly with them, especially in demanding situations. What saves the day, as many already pointed out, is technology, that makes those airplanes "monkey proof".
Qatar will go back to what it was, the last choice in the region
All the best Captain X
Apart from the part where you say that events occur, which is correct, the rest is already answered by you with " The way events are dealt with". Who am I to judge ? Nobody. Who am I to express my opinion ? A professional pilot with a capital P and no, I don't compare myself with the average QR pilot, no thank you.
I don't judge, I observe, sometimes from behind, in the sim and on board and I can tell you that what I see is not what is meant to be, not in a Company that big. I saw Captains messing up a simple star flown with VNAV, landing with no charts in view and many other "pearls" that are absolutely not acceptable, well, those champions are still there and others are gone for no reason, if this was my company I would've chosen the others with due respect but, as you well know, having friends or being a spy offers advantages.
We all know that pilots come from different nationalities, backgrounds, training and experience, this doesn't justify poor airmanship or poor skills and if those guys speak "at least one more language more than me" as you say, they're still dangerous and please help us understand, what are they supposed to do with those extra languages ? Tell us, we are curious.
At the end of the day Qatar made amazing instructors and pilot redundant and, as far as I know, kept many below average on board.I am not talking about everyone of course, I've also seen very professional pilots there but a big part of the others are a mess to the point that I wouldn't let my family fly with them, especially in demanding situations. What saves the day, as many already pointed out, is technology, that makes those airplanes "monkey proof".
Qatar will go back to what it was, the last choice in the region
All the best Captain X
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Since it's a rumor network, I've heard that if QR will ever call back anyone they'll offer roughly half of the previous salary, no LOL, and an even skimpier health insurance than the current Al Koot.
I wonder who would go back: I personally know a few guys still there ready to jump ship with no job prospect back home.
I wonder who would go back: I personally know a few guys still there ready to jump ship with no job prospect back home.
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