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Old 10th Jun 2020, 06:28
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wake up you fool. Im NO WAY did he advocate flying for food.
Just as your assertion the pay review in 2014 was due to market force is correct, so is his assertion about the current reduction.
A 100% pay cut for 6-12 or even 24 months (estimate for industry recovery), would require a 25% pay cut for 2-8 years before a currently employed pilot is financially worse off.

It is called big picture.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 14:46
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ME and contract violations! Lol
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 14:23
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I've been based in the ME for almost 3 years. I checked most of the threads/posts here before I made my mind. As flight crews (including myself) complain about insignificant stuff from time to time, I told myself "maybe the things are mentioned in an exaggerated fashion, it can't be that bad". Boy, was I terribly mistaken! They are so spot on. Especially these two:
1. Your contract is as worthless as the paper it's written on
2. In ME, there's only one golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.
Safe flights gents, may god or whatever you believe in help you through these tough times.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 14:59
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Anyone got any updates on the situation? Just rumours everyday but haven't heard (directly) anyone being let go yet.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 16:14
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Give it a rest mate. Your intentions when you took the job was tax free Moolah, beach, high life, world travel and fly professionally all around the world.

No complaints then. World is suffering, not just your lil bubble.
Originally Posted by FDS OFF BIRD ON View Post
I've been based in the ME for almost 3 years. I checked most of the threads/posts here before I made my mind. As flight crews (including myself) complain about insignificant stuff from time to time, I told myself "maybe the things are mentioned in an exaggerated fashion, it can't be that bad". Boy, was I terribly mistaken! They are so spot on. Especially these two:
1. Your contract is as worthless as the paper it's written on
2. In ME, there's only one golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.
Safe flights gents, may god or whatever you believe in help you through these tough times.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 17:07
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Woah dude! You must be a psychic. Please send your tent's location, I'd like to learn more about myself and my future. Seriously, you should relax for you don't know anything about me, my previous career, why I came to the sandbox. I know that people are out, without jobs or might be in the upcoming days/weeks/months including me. But I neither am responsible nor acting irresponsibly. If you or a friend of yours is impacted, I'm deeply sorry and wish you all the best of luck.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 13:06
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Originally Posted by QRAviator View Post
Anyone got any updates on the situation? Just rumours everyday but haven't heard (directly) anyone being let go yet.
Just another rumour: if 2nd half of your June roster is published, it means you survived the 1st wave of terminations.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 20:05
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Thats what I hate, No clear communication by the Company as to the numbers of layoffs to happen & when, because it is creating anxiety among the families... And we all know when Mental Health issue arises there are chances of Front page headline in leading Newspaper” 😆😆
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 07:21
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Originally Posted by FDS OFF BIRD ON View Post
Just another rumour: if 2nd half of your June roster is published, it means you survived the 1st wave of terminations.
What first round? Care to share any info on this... I wasn't aware of any as yet.
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 08:37
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If you read again the 2nd page of the internal memo, dated 4th day of this month, which was communicated by email to the deck crew, i believe it'll make sense. From what I understand, it's implied. But I'm almost sure that even higher ranks in the fleets have no idea how/when it's going to be.
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Silver68 View Post
What first round? Care to share any info on this... I wasn't aware of any as yet.

First round put some extreme cases out of the door, it happened a few weeks ago and targeted some pilots with big dents on their files. I friend of mine was fired with no explanation given after recovering from Covid19, he indeed had many sick leaves prior to that. That made him believe the main reason for letting him go was his bad medical record.

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Old 16th Jun 2020, 17:09
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Originally Posted by QRAviator View Post
Anyone got any updates on the situation? Just rumours everyday but haven't heard (directly) anyone being let go yet.
An update in this AFP story:

Qatar Airways to slash foreign pilots' pay: memo

June 15, 2020

Doha (AFP) - Qatar Airways will slash some pilots' salaries and make others redundant to offset the revenue collapse caused by the novel coronavirus travel crisis, it said in a memo seen by AFP Monday.

The Gulf airline, which flew to more than 170 destinations with 234 aircraft as of March, has been hit by airport closures and travel bans imposed to contain the spread of the COVID-19 disease.

The International Air Transport Association warned in April that air traffic in the Middle East and North Africa would plummet by more than half this year.

Qatar Airways' most senior pilots "will be subjected to a 25 percent reduction" in salaries, chief flight operations officer Jassim al-Haroon wrote to pilots in a memo dated June 4.

"In the upcoming weeks many of our captains, senior first officers, first officers and cadet pilots will be made redundant," Haroon wrote, without specifying how many would be let go.

More junior pilots will face an immediate 15 percent cut to their salaries, although the measures will not be applied to the airline's Qatari pilots, the memo added.

The airline warned cabin crew at the start of May that they faced "substantial" job losses.

"It's very gloomy. Communication hasn't been clear -- we don't know if this will be the last reduction or if there will be more," said one pilot, who spoke to AFP on condition of anonymity.

"Without a union, they can do what they want to our contracts."

At the worst point of the novel coronavirus travel crisis, the airline had to slash its passenger services to just 35 destinations. It has since begun to resume some mothballed routes.

The economy of super-wealthy gas exporter Qatar has been buffeted by the global economic downturn and associated energy price collapse caused by the pandemic.

Doha-based sports broadcaster BeIN will shed around 100 jobs and cut some salaries in response to the virus downturn and the fallout from piracy of its output, according to sources with knowledge of the matter.

"We have started a limited redundancy programme in relation to our Middle East and North Africa business -- which will be as limited as possible, while securing our long-term future," BeIN said in a statement, adding that further details could not be provided as consultations were ongoing.

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Old 16th Jun 2020, 17:19
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post

An update in this AFP story:
Bloomberg reported the same as well Yesterday. I wonder when A Memo comes out saying don’t leak internal memo’s otherwise disciplinary action would be taken, Tower Lads would be pissed off at AFP & Bloomberg reporting the transcript of the Memo emailed on 4th June.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 08:46
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Why is everybody leaving QR related whatsapp groups?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 15:32
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Because a rumor was afloat that When you go to Tower 1,2,3 IT will take your phone & check for messages” related to QR.

This rumor turned out to be true in the end” CC that have been terminated were told to handover their phones to IT” not all but I know 1 that was asked, she had a backup phone that she brought with her”

Its a mess in QR tbh, Decisions are made by senseless greedy people sitting at top.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:14
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Welcome to the ME . I've said it before !
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:19
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Do they have the authority to demand and take your personal phone? It might not be the most democratic country in the world but I doubt your company can ask you that. Plus if you are in the office for that kind of meeting you would assume the decision to fire you has been taken already, so who cares at that point?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:59
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At one end they are firing people, but are opening new engineering bases in high cost stations like Sydney!
Who in their right mind would do that.
No money to pay for planes and staff at home base but "my mate has to get a job because he is migrating to Australia".
What a disgrace.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 17:12
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Originally Posted by FlyingAce77 View Post
Because a rumor was afloat that When you go to Tower 1,2,3 IT will take your phone & check for messages” related to QR.

This rumor turned out to be true in the end” CC that have been terminated were told to handover their phones to IT” not all but I know 1 that was asked, she had a backup phone that she brought with her”

Its a mess in QR tbh, Decisions are made by senseless greedy people sitting at top.
They will never see my phone. Period.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 17:14
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
Do they have the authority to demand and take your personal phone? It might not be the most democratic country in the world but I doubt your company can ask you that. Plus if you are in the office for that kind of meeting you would assume the decision to fire you has been taken already, so who cares at that point?
They don’t. But I guess it’s easy to push cc to hand over their smartphones. We don’t have strong willed types in our ranks. Also met a few pilots with an evident lack of spine.
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