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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 9th Jun 2021, 11:44
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How does a roster on 777 looks at the moment? How many flights per months, how long are the layovers?
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Old 9th Jun 2021, 15:16
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Calm down friend, you are going to blow an o-ring and that is never a good thing!
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Old 9th Jun 2021, 17:48
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Gents with flying slowly picking up , what is your sense about a potential re-hire on the T7.
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Old 9th Jun 2021, 20:03
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Current claims are the 380 guys that are just getting recurrent are already planned low hours for July /Aug. all major hub restrictions dependant.i don't think you will see 8 daily 380s to London any time this year or even next .
777? Number of AC operations for Pax increasing or deacreasing ? Pax to ad hoc freighters changing back or remaining as make shift freighters. Just because 777s are flying does not indicate Pax loads returning to "normal" Some people are quick to say the planned 777 retirements this year @15 are not happening , is there proof or is that just a typical pprune rumore / wishful thinking . Probably the same who claim the 380 will never fly in big numbers .

Time will tell.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 06:02
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Well the load factor if I am not wrong is fluctuating between 20-40% . And there has been a formal communication that 10 777 frames are being retained .I think it al depends on South Asia , specially India opening up its borders, which will take a bit longer if not sooner . There were some rumours wihin the company that a few 777 guys might be re-called / re- hired , yet again let’s see how this situation unfolds .. hope we all find our selves flying again , wherever that might be . Apparently the ‘company ‘ has also communicated that pilots can move out of company accommodation like the policy was earlier to buy and move out .
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 06:12
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they flying a lot , anywhere between 70-95 hours depending on leaves and other duties , layovers are of minimum rest mostly !
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 22:49
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1. They could also transition some of those poor 380 guys on UL onto the 777;
2. Considering the current situation, I doubt that any sensible pilot would leave company accommodation to buy a property in Dubai.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 02:40
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2. Unless of course you bought earlier, and your property is now empty as Covid eliminated your tenant.
This policy may keep you out of default on your mortgage, and subsequently jail!
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 16:09
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They could also transition some of those poor 380 guys on UL onto the 777
Think the 777 crew numbers will even out as the 200 odd cadets slowly come online over the next few months.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 17:09
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The experience drain will be huge. So many experienced guys made redundant, yet more slowly leaving, to be replaced with cadets. Not a great recipe.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 19:24
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A recipe for..........?

I for one would now avoid travel on these formerly bloated ME carriers. They are increasing the pilot complements of their jets with locally-produced cadets. Not good, although economically logical. Shades of the Gulf Air A320 episode at BAH, among other "accidents".
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 22:07
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The spike is aviation disasters in the next few years will be telling. Some of the ULCC and LCC’s that have had the serendipitous good fortune of recruitment of super experienced expat crews made redundant will be the safest in the skies. Oh the irony.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 22:07
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Roy Hudd,

To be fair, I would be careful with that statement. I spent a number of years there and when I was an FO, flew with a number of very good Emirati operators who were very qualified captains. When I became a captain, I flew with many very qualified Emirati FO's with varying degrees's of experience and never felt like any one of them didn't deserve the right to be in the cockpit. Conversely, there have been a number of pilots in both seats from a wide variety of cultures and country's, including the west, that I wondered how they made it through the initial assessment.

I can't speak for the "the other two" but I can say that the standard of training, SOP, OM-A and FCOM compliance was VERY high at EK, I could not argue to the contrary, certainly not in the time I was there.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 22:11
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The spike is aviation disasters in the next few years will be telling. Some of the ULCC and LCC’s that have had the unexpected good fortune in recruitment of super experienced expat crews made redundant will be the safest in the skies. Oh the irony.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 08:29
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I agree with almost everything you said, except the part about training. I experienced very little proper training whilst there and used my previous training and experience to survive the checking department.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 08:59
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When the 777 fleet size has remained basically unchanged, but the experience has been let go to fill with inexperienced cadets it’s not a great situation. It doesn’t matter if the cadet is ace of base, they simply don’t have the experience and won’t have for a long time to come.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 13:47
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I do agree with that! I did the same.
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 01:47
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Here we go again , blame training for everything. thread drift ?
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 06:39
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How many weeks profit share?
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 06:49
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No blame being laid. Just stating what I experienced.

if the shoe fits.....
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