EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew
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Following on from the previous post, the UK has just approved the Pfizer vaccine. Some good news finally! Now comes the big sell to the wider community to get themselves inoculated.
Following on from the previous post, the UK has just approved the Pfizer vaccine. Some good news finally! Now comes the big sell to the wider community to get themselves inoculated.
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Thanks Glofish. I think saying 2029 is just absolute nonsense and scaremongering.
Please understand, many of those earlier doomsday predictions are positioned purely to either:
a) get state aid; or
b) pressure unions to make concessions; or
c) justify shareholder dilution.
Those particular predictions come from euro control; Look at the history of EU ATC strikes to see who the target audience is, and the motivation behind it.
The fact is there are 3 vaccines going into distribution before Christmas. The market didn't crash. The demand for travel is there. The entire travel industry will be working together to stimulate recovery.
Please understand, many of those earlier doomsday predictions are positioned purely to either:
a) get state aid; or
b) pressure unions to make concessions; or
c) justify shareholder dilution.
Those particular predictions come from euro control; Look at the history of EU ATC strikes to see who the target audience is, and the motivation behind it.
The fact is there are 3 vaccines going into distribution before Christmas. The market didn't crash. The demand for travel is there. The entire travel industry will be working together to stimulate recovery.
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No doubt, but consider that the other outlooks might also have an agenda.
I simply wanted to inject another side of the story, because you mentioned an eventual callback into UPL. This would represent a renewed shoving down of risk to employees. Houses are empty, training capacity is unused, meaning only little cost to the employer and building reserves therefore very handy. You mentioned yourself that "if EK were smart" ........ so there is their agenda!
With all the wishes of a speedy recovery and urge to get back on the earning track, we should simply stay vigilant and not get caught in a one sided risk game.
No doubt, but consider that the other outlooks might also have an agenda.
I simply wanted to inject another side of the story, because you mentioned an eventual callback into UPL. This would represent a renewed shoving down of risk to employees. Houses are empty, training capacity is unused, meaning only little cost to the employer and building reserves therefore very handy. You mentioned yourself that "if EK were smart" ........ so there is their agenda!
With all the wishes of a speedy recovery and urge to get back on the earning track, we should simply stay vigilant and not get caught in a one sided risk game.
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I think Xulu has it pretty much sorted.
If Emirates was to go to 2019 levels, that will mean recruiting another 1000-1500 pilots in 3 years. But they don't need to. Not all the A380s are coming back, some B777s are still leaving, and the B777X are delayed. The 787s are inbound, so that will need pilots, just not Airbus pilots.
In the short term, I would expect as many guys on UPL who will come back, will be back by mid year. After that, recruitment and upgrades will continue as the company sees the need.
As much as I dislike and distrust certain management, by and large they have done what is needed to keep the company safe, so they are not idiots. And the recovery will be managed with the same ethos in mind, looking after the company.
If Emirates was to go to 2019 levels, that will mean recruiting another 1000-1500 pilots in 3 years. But they don't need to. Not all the A380s are coming back, some B777s are still leaving, and the B777X are delayed. The 787s are inbound, so that will need pilots, just not Airbus pilots.
In the short term, I would expect as many guys on UPL who will come back, will be back by mid year. After that, recruitment and upgrades will continue as the company sees the need.
As much as I dislike and distrust certain management, by and large they have done what is needed to keep the company safe, so they are not idiots. And the recovery will be managed with the same ethos in mind, looking after the company.
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unfortunately you and Xulu have a quite realistic pictures and EK has done what they needed - nevertheless about 50% of the pilots having lost everything with no chance of return
well done of EK to have left behind so much drama with no respect to the humans
well done of EK to have left behind so much drama with no respect to the humans
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On LinkedIn every now and then there is some great announcement that Emirates is starting up routes or beating the pandemic. Even Cranfield University awarded one of the leading protagonists in the cull of operational staff recently I kid you not some prize for their overall brilliance. There then follows an outpouring of sycophancy from who knows about how brilliant and wonderful EK is. If you ever read the dreaded Daily Mail in the uk, one of the columnists - Richard Littlejohn - has a nifty catchphrase ‘you really could not make this stuff up’ which surely applies here. Interestingly and unsurprisingly I have never seen a pilot or cabin crew contribute to this mass @rse licking. Proving that even in the worst of times dark comedy is lurking.
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Also check out the two ex-EK (now WZZ spin doctors) manager's posts. A*skissing level 99 throughout the spectrum: ex-EK crew hoping for a job at WZZ as well as current WZZ hoping to keep their jobs...
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Cranfield as any other University can praise, award and honour any high level official (let alone graduate) likely to be in charge of future decision making regarding monetary policies that may extend to training, marketing, infrastructure usage and or funding of research products (currently involved in one). Just for clarity the manager mentioned was not the only one being awarded that day and in my view a very well deserved award for all stakeholders. As an ex-ek bus driver recently laid off I support this as it may help create valuable aerospace jobs in the future that are usually anti-recessionary. You should try and blend into the mindset, It helps to suppress all that justified frustration
Cranfield as any other University can praise, award and honour any high level official (let alone graduate) likely to be in charge of future decision making regarding monetary policies that may extend to training, marketing, infrastructure usage and or funding of research products (currently involved in one). Just for clarity the manager mentioned was not the only one being awarded that day and in my view a very well deserved award for all stakeholders. As an ex-ek bus driver recently laid off I support this as it may help create valuable aerospace jobs in the future that are usually anti-recessionary. You should try and blend into the mindset, It helps to suppress all that justified frustration
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"Once they are “stored”, that’s it"
You've got that the wrong way around. For those who wish to operate a profitable airline the facts indicate that "once they are flying, that's it".
You've got that the wrong way around. For those who wish to operate a profitable airline the facts indicate that "once they are flying, that's it".
There are procedures for storing aircraft which become more numerous as the time on the ground lengthens. For a short term grounding, towing the aircraft a short distance to exercise the oleos may be required and as the time increases, jacking the aircraft up to cycle the landing gear at specified intervals is needed. Engine runs, exercising the flight controls and operating the systems comes into play.
The manufacturers have laid down what needs to be done and it becomes more complicated and expensive as time extends.
The manufacturers have laid down what needs to be done and it becomes more complicated and expensive as time extends.
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there are two basic long term storage procedures
1- you cover it , close everything and every now and than you tow it - engine runs and move surfaces eventual you have to fly it a bit
2- everything gets drained - all oils all water - it will be stone dry - tires are a write of, this is ultimate long term storage and needs a large inspection to get back in service 2-3 month time before the aircraft moves with power and needs also ground runs and a test flight
beside parking it’s a expensive way of keeping it
there are two basic long term storage procedures
1- you cover it , close everything and every now and than you tow it - engine runs and move surfaces eventual you have to fly it a bit
2- everything gets drained - all oils all water - it will be stone dry - tires are a write of, this is ultimate long term storage and needs a large inspection to get back in service 2-3 month time before the aircraft moves with power and needs also ground runs and a test flight
beside parking it’s a expensive way of keeping it