EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

[Mister Warning]

Could Emirates absorb Fly Dubai for their narrow body needs?

[paule737]

It’s rather a question of what THEY want and NOT what YOU want 🤣

[White Knight]

Mandatory 12 months Unpaid Leave letters now out to many 380 pilots...

[Jet II]

do they still get accommodation, medical, schooling etc?

[Emma Royds]

Education allowance is still available.

Accomodation allowance is available if you live in the property you bought. The allowance will still be available to those renting, however only until the end of the current rental contract. It’s then back to EK accommodation thereafter.

Cat A medical cover within DXB and Cat E coverage elsewhere. There is also a requirement to have a suitable medical insurance policy to cover you, if you are out of DXB.

[allert]

Jet II

Correct, no information about provident fund access though

[delorean79]

Is there any info about how many emails they've sent?

[correamd11]

​​​​Time for the pilot group to start looking after each other. It's never been more important than as it is now.


Exactly!!!

[sheikhthecamel]

Originally Posted by 777boyindubai

All smoke and mirrors. I believe ICD has used the money elsewhere..

ICD did not forsee having to fund EK into the beginning of 2021 because of "aggressive cost measures". They also foresaw a Dubai economic recovery picking up steam in Q4. Not sure how that is shaping up - my understanding is that things are still pretty dire in the sandbox (outside EK).

[sheikhthecamel]

Originally Posted by Eric Hartman

I am surprised that the redundant A380 guys are still defending the A380. There is a direct link between 115 A380s and your redundancies. Last year’s profit margin was around 1% and there were signs of worldwide economy slowdown even before the Covid. What people don’t understand is that the recession was inevitable due to many other factors, Covid just made things worse. EK has never had a contingency plan and that is worrying to say the least.

Yes, that is a popular view. But Covid hit cash-flows much more dramatically / quickly than the base case recession. Whereas a "normal" recession has you managing your P/L and B/S, the Covid-fueled one has upended business models far and wide, and there is a lot of uncertainty what the next winning business models will look like in the airline business. Most likely it leaves the likes of EK and its neighbors holding a pretty useless hand of cards.

[Emma Royds]

Whilst unpaid leave is certainly better than redundancy, I suspect some will see little difference after receiving the email today. I am sure there are some tough discussions taking place tonight in some homes, as some struggle to see how they can survive financially for a year with no salary. This will sadly force some into a corner and feel that resigning and taking the provident fund will be a better option.

Apologies if this may not settle well with some but I suspect the intent of the company is to force some to resign. The bigger the familiy, the harder it will be and this often correlates to increased costs for the company with schooling etc. I am still at a loss as to why some or all of the provident fund is not available to those affected!

The term constructive dismissal springs to mind and I had a hunch it would be the next card dealt by the company. Resignations are less embarrassing for management than yet another round of redundancies.

Good luck to all. 👍🏻

[fatbus]

Add to that , no protocol for recall means selective . Who is cheapest and willing at the new TCs that is still to occur .

[donpizmeov]

Now is not the time for made up speculation. Families have enough to worry about without you adding this kind of trash. You got to leave on your terms fatty. Many hundreds of pilots have not had that opportunity this year. A little empathy and support rather than trumpet blowing.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

A possible solution - to the 777 pilots - Write to TCT and take a 10% pay cut, (lots more 777 pilots than 380 pilots left) and divert those funds to the LWOP 380 pilots.

Pilots supporting pilots.

[donpizmeov]

Rexy wasn't making a plea for himself. He was part of an earlier wave.
But since you seem to be an ideas man Xulu, although little Billy will have a home and school, how does his family afford to feed him for a year with no income? If the family has a loan here, what happens when the account runs dry and a payment is due? Remember you can't touch the provident fund when on LWOP.
Looking forward to your suggestions in advance.

[FoxAlfa21]

Whit all due respect

Each one is responsible of its own finances, If Billy's parents have a loan and many debts , If they didn't have an emergency plan and cant afford to survive in Dubai for 1 year with no income, then maybe they should consider other options, selling a property ? selling cars? Resigning? I'm putting myself in that position, I will sell a property to cover my expenses for 1 year before asking other people that also have debts and responsibilities to cover my own.
My 2 cents

[5star]

Don,

Here’s a simple suggestion for you and Rexy: resign and cash in your PF...
Jeez...If you can’t source some funds or income for a year to bridge the gap...wtf....
Maybe consider selling that Porsche, cut back on those daily costa visits...
Maybe get rid of that nanny or clean your house yourself....need more ideas?

There are thousands of ex colleagues on the street with no return ticket, who have to feed their families...
I have little sympathy for those still on board now moaning...You got a roof above your head
and the tab for schooling is still paid.....Be glad they didn’t throw you guys off the cliff....

[WB1900]

Mai what’s the actual unpaid leave package in terms of benefits?

- company house yes/no
- school yes/no
- medical insurance yes/no
- tickets (ALT, SRC, etc)
- company contribution PF yes/no

thanks for the heads up

[donpizmeov]

I have not heard anyone who received a letter yesterday moaning. I have read one ex employee suggesting a way of helping others, and two other less empathetic posters complaining about nonexistent moaning.
Those who received an email yesterday have already been on half pay for the equivalent of 8 months. Most with no flight pay for that entire period. So I would think it's not unreasonable to think any savings have probably already been tapped into.
Many of those that have unfortunately left in previous waves, have returned to countries that help support families in need. I also understand a lot so not have this opportunity. There is no support like that for an Expat here.
Trying to think outside the box to help colleagues should be endorsed rather than belittled. Perhaps Rex did not come up with a perfect plan, but maybe it will start the discussion to find one.

[14 6]

Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc

A possible solution - to the 777 pilots - Write to TCT and take a 10% pay cut, (lots more 777 pilots than 380 pilots left) and divert those funds to the LWOP 380 pilots.

Pilots supporting pilots.

Do you actually know what is going on in the world, outside your little circle of aviation buddies? Compared to others, airline pilots have been remunerated reasonably well over the last few decades and by the very nature of their profession, one would expect them to make sound financial decisions as well. Yet, what we have witnessed among many, NOT ALL, is a pursuit of a lavish lifestyle and as a result overextending themselves. Are pilots not trained to expect a catastrophe at any moment and have a mitigating plan ready?

Your suggestion seems noble, but completely out of touch with reality. What is the word.......virtue signaling!