EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew
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Go through the entire recruitment process as well. Done deliberately by EK HR ,thin out certain types. T&Cs will not return to pre covid and new pilots will be on a different contract . When? No idea .
One thing is certain, they will be a lot more selective in re-employing those laid off then they were in terminating them. Personnel will be going through files very thoroughly when deciding who to bring back once the schedule picks up again. Older crew with poor records may as well forget it. Younger crew with a reasonable experience level and a good history with the company will be first in line.
Market forces will determine T&Cs, with a low end opening offer to see who bites, and then possibly bumped up a bit if they aren't getting the sort of applicants they want.
Whilst this often occurs because that's how they met, having both parties in a relationship working for the same company is a big negative in times like this. During the Ansett collapse many households lost both incomes at the same time, whereas those with one partner working for a different employer had some money coming in.
Market forces will determine T&Cs, with a low end opening offer to see who bites, and then possibly bumped up a bit if they aren't getting the sort of applicants they want.
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mmorel is 100% right. you should see some of the sycophantic comments by EK staff that got fired and complementing EK on social media, Linkedin etc as if EK gave them the chance of a lifetime - never knew it was better to be unemployed and stuck in a country that isn't mine with cash running out. When things get better, loads of them will be coming back with lesser T&C. they are sucking up now to get that access again - mark my word this will happen.
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For only approx 30 flight deck crew positions in total... It will only be two aircraft with 14 weekly flights from October (against the earlier grandiose announcements) which won't require too much pilots. Even the other four "ultra-modern" super duper 321s joining the fleet in the following six months (as they say now) can not save much expat EK households unfortunately.
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One thing is certain, they will be a lot more selective in re-employing those laid off then they were in terminating them. Personnel will be going through files very thoroughly when deciding who to bring back once the schedule picks up again. Older crew with poor records may as well forget it. Younger crew with a reasonable experience level and a good history with the company will be first in line.
Market forces will determine T&Cs, with a low end opening offer to see who bites, and then possibly bumped up a bit if they aren't getting the sort of applicants they want.
Market forces will determine T&Cs, with a low end opening offer to see who bites, and then possibly bumped up a bit if they aren't getting the sort of applicants they want.
With your second quote you basically outlined the usual modern-economic dealings after a depression or crash, nothing new or specifically EK/ME here. As long as there are no furlough provisions in contracts, the above applies to most businesses and regions on Earth. Just look at the despicable, social contribution avoiding scam of MOL. In contrast there are the good old inhibiting unions, very comfy for employees, but sometimes a perversion in terms of progress. Look at the sustaining of the utterly filthy coal industry in "oh so modern" Germany, only done out of political fear of losing 400'000 jobs and the ire of the mighty unions, not so comfy for our environment.
If furloughed you would not trash the company that might re-hire you, so i don't condemn anyone who keeps up the hope of getting re-hired by EK for not trashing them.
I am not saying all this to defend certain ugly practices around here, but stay real and accept that this is the context of modern capitalism.
The faster one can accept that fact, the better for the affected. To quote the Borg: "Resistance is futile!"
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How confident are people of meaningful passenger flights resuming anytime soon? The continual refreshing of Emirates planned flight schedules is getting laughable and sad at the same time. This is especially for the 380 but even now the 777 is looking just as meaningless in light of recent developments. Namely, recent confirmed Covid passengers flights into HKG and Perth, flight restrictions in Australia and New Zealand, the huge spike in Covid cases in USA, Brazil, India, etc etc. I just can’t see any market for real passenger numbers developing within the next 3 months or more.
How long, and how many 777 drivers can survive flying freight and repatriation flights?
How long, and how many 777 drivers can survive flying freight and repatriation flights?
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I'm not very confident at all. I can't see us operating any meaningful schedule to Australia or India in the next 6-8 months - and the same to the US and South America. This means that most of our connecting passengers will not be there to fly and with limited connecting passengers it will be almost only turists and residents flying to/from Dubai. We will still be flying lots of cargo and I think most of our passenger flights will be where the demand for cargo is still intact and it'll cost relatively little to offer those flights for passengers as well.
Basically, countries are either badly affected by the virus and isolated by other countries (Brazil), or relatively unaffected and isolating themselves from other countries (New Zealand). Qantas have removed international flights until March next year and are allowing the essential minimum services to be operated by foreign airlines.
Dubai tourism is mostly pax doing a 1-3 day stopover enroute rather than visiting the place specifically, and once is usually enough. France, Thailand, USA etc will draw repeat visitors but one bus tour and desert safari ticks the box for DXB for westerners. The nationals of countries that do go there for pleasure/business such as India or Iran are heavily affected by virus restrictions.
The flights operating at the moment are basically freight runs with a few urgent/must travel pax in the cabin.
Dubai tourism is mostly pax doing a 1-3 day stopover enroute rather than visiting the place specifically, and once is usually enough. France, Thailand, USA etc will draw repeat visitors but one bus tour and desert safari ticks the box for DXB for westerners. The nationals of countries that do go there for pleasure/business such as India or Iran are heavily affected by virus restrictions.
The flights operating at the moment are basically freight runs with a few urgent/must travel pax in the cabin.
India's most western state, the UK provides many repeat tourists. Most don't leave the resorts they booked into. Will they travel this year? Only time will tell.
But I don't think we will see full aeroplanes in the near to mid future.
But I don't think we will see full aeroplanes in the near to mid future.
The LinkedIn love in for EK is nauseating. It is tragic that so many are arbitrarily losing their jobs but EK is using the pandemic opportunistically. Within 2 years I would bet that traffic will be up to pre pandemic levels and staff will be recruited on lower salaries and conditions. In fairness EK are not alone. I have to hold back on LinkedIn to giving my real opinion on this lack of morality but LinkedIn is supposed to be used professionally not as alternative to social media. Anyway, good luck to all.
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Don’t shoot the messenger / the sycophants are to blame..... oh ya if Wizzy down the street are offering EK Corporate Grade 7 packages I wouldn’t be surprised what the future holds. I was quite shocked too see Airbus ex Caps and FOs Clapping their hands for EKs return of their 2 A380s in the sky this morn with images and sonatas......
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
I feel your pain and disappointment of the greater majority within those states for the actions and disregard of the handful of reckless people that have brought VIC and NSW to this end.
I blame predominantly Bognor Regis’s least competent bus conductor.
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The neighbour has started their réductions today also. Seems incredibly random with some very senior but not over 60’s. Clean records. Low sickness. Generic email with no real information or reasoning. Expected but as ever, poorly handled.