EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

[Murrenfan]

Simply because they now have the option to rehire those desperate to come back with a different contract.

[PilotLZ]

Not an isolated case unfortunately. Many airlines do the "fire-and-rehire" thing with the exact idea NOT to preserve the existing contract and its associated T&Cs.

[Python27]

Concept that doesn't applies in the sandpit. Your T&C can/will be changed at company's(that belongs to the state) discretion without any further explanation or negotiation. You can loose your time in the court trying to argue against.

Signing T&C in Knoteetingham for the one is just a formality. For the company is a liability against you.

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[aviation_enthus]

Originally Posted by desert witch

Can someone elighten me as to why Unpaid leave is such a implausible option at EK? I would happily go for a year, Zero pay, and if there is enough of us, save a number of redundancies.
I know everyone is looking after themselves these days, but if there was any way to show (Bryan?) that we are a good number, might be possible to pass it on to whoever can actually push it through?

Because it’s an expat airline. Please enlighten me of any other predominantly expat airlines that offer unpaid leave?

Also worth remembering that ‘unpaid leave’ still had various allowances paid by the company. So in reality EK are not getting to hold on to staff for free.

They just don’t need the same number of staff. When they do I’m sure they’ll rehire and have plenty of applicants to choose from.

[GH66]

Originally Posted by PilotLZ

Not an isolated case unfortunately. Many airlines do the "fire-and-rehire" thing with the exact idea NOT to preserve the existing contract and its associated T&Cs.

Many/Most airlines are not expat airlines who in good times arrange their management style to essentially make their employees economic hostages and on a whim toss some of their best people out with little or NO practical options. EK never attempted to offer anyone a win win offer although it never does. EK has always know the cost of absolutely everything but never the value of anything! You combine that with a bunch of middle managers who are scared of their own shadows and some who will sell their own..... to add a management tittle to their name and the result is what you are seeing!

[what-to-do]

@ aviation_enthus - Flydubai for one

[BOEMBUS]

medium Com suren.ratwatte the-end-of-the-mirage-in-the-gulf

[DuneMentat]

One thing that has gone mostly unnoticed is the layoffs happening in the office - all expats. This now means even more, in any position of causing harm, is a UAE national of which quite a few want expats gone. This is IMHO accelerating EK becoming the new Gulf Air.

[Python27]

Originally Posted by DuneMentat

One thing that has gone mostly unnoticed is the layoffs happening in the office - all expats. This now means even more, in any position of causing harm, is a UAE national of which quite a few want expats gone. This is IMHO accelerating EK becoming the new Gulf Air.

Same happened in the goat I've heard. Soon all the companies around will have the same low standards of saudia and gf...

[fly1981]

Originally Posted by aviation_enthus

Because it’s an expat airline. Please enlighten me of any other predominantly expat airlines that offer unpaid leave?

Also worth remembering that ‘unpaid leave’ still had various allowances paid by the company. So in reality EK are not getting to hold on to staff for free.

They just don’t need the same number of staff. When they do I’m sure they’ll rehire and have plenty of applicants to choose from.

most of the Far East expat orientated airlines have offered unpaid leave schemes...

[alatriste]

Please name one.
Expats in the Far East are contract pilots. Companies do not need to fire them because they are not their employees. They just roster LWOP and inform you broker that they will call you back when they need you. No benefits, no end of service bonus, no compensation. NOTHING. Disposable item.
If you can consider this as "Unpaid leave" then most of the companies provide it.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

My Hainan mate said Hainan is paying him 25k US a year at the moment sort of like a retention pay.

[fly1981]

Originally Posted by alatriste

Please name one.
Expats in the Far East are contract pilots. Companies do not need to fire them because they are not their employees. They just roster LWOP and inform you broker that they will call you back when they need you. No benefits, no end of service bonus, no compensation. NOTHING. Disposable item.
If you can consider this as "Unpaid leave" then most of the companies provide it.

what a load of rubbish... if you were stupid enough to join through a broker, that’s your own fault. Cathay, Asiana, air japan...the list goes on.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

fly1981-

if you were stupid enough to join through a broker, that’s your own fault

soooo how do you get a gig with those outfits such as Korean, China Southern etc when they only use brokers for expats? What is your secret smart man?

[bringbackthe80s]

Originally Posted by fly1981

what a load of rubbish... if you were stupid enough to join through a broker, that’s your own fault. Cathay, Asiana, air japan...the list goes on.

Unbelievable this guy

[fly1981]

Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc

fly1981-


soooo how do you get a gig with those outfits such as Korean, China Southern etc when they only use brokers for expats? What is your secret smart man?

why Korean or China southern? Sure, they hire through an agency, because their turn over is huge. There are options that do not necessarily require you to go through agencies. Obviously the current situation is putting a damper on recruitment... but things will happen soon. China is cooking domestic traffic wise, many airlines have recalled crew that were put on unpaid leave. It won’t be long before regional traffic is opened up...

https://www.airhongkong.com.hk/publi...3-266d0dc6fa20. Conducting interviews as we speak.

https://www.evaair.com/en-us/about-e...ots/pilot.html. Note the ‘or’ you can apply directly or through an agency. Good deal if you commute to Europe/USA.

https://careers.cathaypacific.com/our-teams/pilots. Up until 2-3 months ago, there were still defo’s finishing up training, bearing in mind hk has been affected by Covid story since China found out about it, for obvious reasons.

https://pilotcareercentre.com/Pilot-...lines---Taiwan
They looking for captains and fo’s...have no doubt 380 experience will count.

these were the results of a 5 min search. Many airlines in this part of the world will hire through an agency initially, then once the 3 year contract is up, if they like you, you will be employed directly.

[Veruka Salt]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Cathay flight crew aren’t employed via agencies, nor are they on fixed term contracts.

[fly1981]

where did I say cx crew were employed through agencies? Those are airlines that don’t employ necessarily though agencies.

[Emma Royds]

It's irrelevant if you are directly employed or are a contractor in an airline in Asia where the minority of the workforce are ex-pats, as the ex-pat will always be the first to suffer in the tough times. I would rather be with a contract agency, as at least there is an intermediary that you can liaise with. If you were employed directly, I doubt any local pilot union would be willing to make much effort to look after ex-pats who are on more generous terms and conditions, at the expense of their own peers.

[alatriste]

Dear FLY1981
We strongly disagree but , because we don´t play in the same league, I don´t want to start an argument.
It is funny to discover how a guy that joined HKA as FO 3 years ago now is giving us lessons. Boy, I got my ATPL 20 years before you and joined the Airline business 24 years ahead of you.
As a contract pilot I am not surprised how companies are treating expat pilots, I was not moaning.
For your information Asiana pilots were employed by brokers and all of them (except some 747 skippers) were fired the 4th of June.
Being a rookie you should think twice and then post, control your temper and finally try not to insult others.
All the best in your incipient career.