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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 10th May 2021, 13:38
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Not disrespect to them at all, I have many local friends, was just a question.
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Old 10th May 2021, 17:30
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Everyone should realize that the ME3 would be all locals if they could . Some will claim it will never happen but as a result of covid the increase in flights is going to be some time allowing all 3 to continue to produce their own . I flew with a local a few years ago who was involved in the national cadet program . The aim was for the ability to produce 400 / year. Do the math and expat reguired numbers would slowly decrease. Possibly only trainers and fleet management in order to have a scapegoat.

i always remember and refer to an Ozzie I met in Paris crew room, working for VNA 767 TRI, he said " I'm training my replacement "

For those that don't give the locals credit , check you ego at the door . As stated many times , their country their airlines .

380 locals still flying ( minimal) and on full pay .
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Old 10th May 2021, 17:42
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emiratisation was the big project future even before COVID the sheik idea made it clear that’s the aim of the country
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Old 10th May 2021, 19:04
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And I'm guessing still is ?
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Old 10th May 2021, 23:27
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If every airline restricted its employees to their own nationals, the airline world would be very strange.......and perhaps less safe?
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Old 11th May 2021, 05:41
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So you're suggesting that every national legacy carrier in the world who have only effectively hired their own citizens because of labour laws are more dangerous than the ME3?

I'm talking about Qantas, British Airways, Air Canada, the US big 3, KLM, Air France, Air New Zealand, Malaysian and South African to name but a few.

Those carriers have been around FAR longer than EK has been. They're still going strong (pandemic notwithstanding of course).

Think before you type next time.
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Old 11th May 2021, 05:44
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Not true or even logical.
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Old 11th May 2021, 06:04
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Originally Posted by Fuel-Off
Malaysian and South African
Not going strong. Even before the 'pandemic'.
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Old 11th May 2021, 06:25
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Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read.
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Old 11th May 2021, 08:39
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I so wish I hadn’t even asked the question now. It was just a question and in no way was supposed to start a debate on the rights and wrongs of the airlines mix of pilots nationalities. There are good, bad and average pilots of ALL nationalities. The country of origin matters little, ability, training, commitment and dedication are what matter. If Emirates want a local airline then so be it, it is their country and their choice.

A debate on race or creed has no place in a modern company nor on here, so please stop!

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Old 11th May 2021, 18:00
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No one I see suggested a debate on race or creed, the issue is solely the ability to attract, train pilots for a HUGE airline with those with the aptitude and willingness to work from a (relatively small) local population of (a smallish) city-state without sacrificing established standards and experience levels. I think that was the debate, nothing to do with race or creed, that is what you interjected!

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Old 11th May 2021, 23:11
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Says it all really....😀
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Old 12th May 2021, 04:22
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Smoke and mirrors...
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Old 12th May 2021, 05:34
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Doesn't the Dubai economy largely chug along on overpriced services to well paid expats? Profits from utilities, alcohol, groceries etc all ending up back in government hands. Can understand a push for more Emirati pilots but can't see it replacing the need for foreigners.
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Old 12th May 2021, 06:21
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but that’s exactly the point
they cannot do anything without foreigners expertise - no building , no computer network , no nothing - the whole country is built on it, because a Emirati would never do a low graded job as he he born to lead - not understanding the importance of foreigners to their country let’s them see foreigners as low grad person and therefor expats are treated as they are - it’s also called arrogance, which is in the unrespectfull behavior of each single uae local visible (except excemptions of course, as I also fly with locals, who spend a good amount of time abroad the UAE, and they have been great personalities). But the camel herders who have never seen the UAE border from the other side and never watched other parts of the world with an respectful, curios eye are simple what the they are, not much difference to animals
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Old 12th May 2021, 06:29
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g109

never if they could

but i guess it’s hard to find the right words to make the bitter tasting sweet
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Old 12th May 2021, 06:45
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cptsmiffy,

very nice catch btw. Who needs a spelling checker today?
Only in Dubai….
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Old 12th May 2021, 06:50
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Emiratis make up less than 12% of the population, there simply aren’t enough locals to have a functioning country if all the foreigners and expats left. However being a pilot is a better position than being a construction labourer so this is one of the more attractive areas for the locals. Even so, expats will still be needed.
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Old 12th May 2021, 08:14
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let’s put it that way - and yes you are right
but considering the fact that a Emirati would never throw a brick to build a house or definitely would not start digging a drain, there is no way of having a functioning country based on locals. The current scale of Dubai is just because the want to attract to live there for whatever reason. On a smaller scale for e.g. a size of a village the 12% of Emirati are more than enough, but being born to lead requires something to lead and that’s where all the expat come into the game.
And no the country has proofen, that a pilot is at the very base not worth more than any Indian construction Labour, only better payed and attracted by better benefits, but that does not describe the value which is as zero than any other worker, proofed by the fact how fast they where gone once not needed

Again STC made a remarkable statement to the value of a pilot “ungainfully employed” we will get rid of.
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Old 12th May 2021, 08:54
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Didn't want my comment to encourage the sort of vitriol published since. I don't hold anything against the locals looking after them selves first. It's their country so fair enough. All I wanted to say was that there will still be opportunities for foreign pilots in the UAE in the future. At least I hope so bc I'd like to go back at some stage.
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