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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 5th Nov 2020, 03:49
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I just have a simple statement. Even if the 777 boys took a pay cut and helped the rest of the lads/lasses out - we are talking about the crooked ek higher ups. Knowing them, they’ll keep the percentage and continue culling

so let’s stop the bickering and playing mother Teresa and highlight what a gong show the despicable EK management is!!

my 2 pennies...
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 05:05
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Unfortunately there is far too much ego and agenda here to have any proper discussion. So the wives are now running with this. Final result, if they get it to work, would be utilising Carrefour vouchers which can be purchased at a discount. Lots for them to work out yet. But great to see what can be done in a short time if noone acts like a d@ck. Perhaps it's a cultural thing
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 05:08
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Can we stop this BS of suggesting some should take a paycut to help someone else....What about the 1000plus already on the street....

I ll repeat it one more time for the ones on UPL. The company decided that you are more valuable than the random guys with heaps of seniority who got cancer or a lot of other unfortunate folks of the 1500/2000 (anyone a number?) already sent home on a 1way ticket...They are still investing a considerable amount to keep you on board....Its not a guarantee return but what did you guys expect....
Send your family home now you have all the time in the world, enjoy your off time and rethink in 12 months whats best to do...

just my 25fls....
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 06:02
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@EchoKilla and 5star

Thank you for your voice of reason, can't agree more!

5star, very good advice! This is exactly what my family and I did after my previous redundancy and it brought some form of calm and stability.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 08:20
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It's all so easy really.

Well, except for those that can't go home due to lockdown. Or those that are still waiting partners visa to arrive etc. But I know. It's their fault etc etc. Glad you guys are helping out.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 08:42
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I am sorry but I had missed this one.

​​​​​​And I see your point. We are posting on the wrong thread. And for that I apologize. This is the thread to post rumours and then pat yourself on the back when they come true, all the while showing the middle finger to nay sayers yelling nah nah anah nah.
There is nothing in title that suggests looking after the welfare of those touched by all this.
So once again, sorry for posting in the wrong spot. You certainly picked this one right. Awesome job. Waiting with baited breath to hear the next one.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 12:40
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If anyone really believes there will be a job in 1 year’s time, they’re deluded. EK is just kicking the PF can down the road.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 12:43
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and btw Don, my name is also on that long long list of guys who got the one way ticket...It is what it is....I learned my ‘sandpit’ lesson the hard way....
I don’t miss EK for a second, but the flying and the good trips a lot....
still like a few others, would have loved the UPL option instead...

However, we’re moving on...got no other choice.....

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Old 5th Nov 2020, 15:00
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Since you have asked so nicely, here it is. Besides I want you to be able to breathe freely.

Saying sorry is a good thing, but unfortunately your sarcasm drowns out the message.

You and Rex are two dangerous wind-up artists who chose to misconstrue most of the messages on this thread. Whether it is intentional or due to a lack of comprehension, I don't know, therefore you need to hear this:

EVERYONE on this thread has nothing but the sincerest empathy with colleagues who had been made redundant. All of us have close friends and/or neighbors who are going through a crisis period. We share their hardship on a personal level and anybody who suggests otherwise is being dishonest and vindictive!

This thread was started by someone who sent out a dire warning, but instead of taking heed, people like your buddy Rex decided to ridicule the messenger and talk down to him like you do to a child. Considering where we are now, that warning was conservative! Pilots are trained to take note of warnings and prepare mitigating strategies accordingly, but you two prefer to kill the messenger. Sometimes I wonder whether you are pilots at all. With such behaviour I surely am glad that I will not be sharing a cockpit with you! Note that I at least have a valid reason unlike Rex who just refuses to fly with "c-words" like me.

The next issue is that you claim to have been in the sandpit for a long time, yet you think that should the remaining pilots volunteer for a pay cut, others might be saved. That is delusional! Management decides how many staff will stay and what remuneration they will receive. This is not a democracy and we have zero input to make!

This brings me to the main issue. All of us are coming out of a 6-month-50%-pay period. Some even had to finance a forced villa move! What in your right mind convinces you that the "remainers" are in a financial position to volunteer for an extension of the salary reduction? What makes you think that they are not already supporting family/friends who have been made redundant? What makes you think that they will not receive the dreaded email themselves a week from now?

Final point! Financial hardship in the sandpit has been under your noses for a long time already. To get on your high horse only now that the pilot community is being hit, is hypocritical! You don, specifically mentioned the loan issue. Taking out a loan is 100% an personal choice and for the most part it is lifestyle related. Here we are given free accommodation, utilities, transport to and from work. There is ample and cheap public transportation. Schools provide bus services. We are given reasonable salaries to cover all these. I say again, taking out loans and getting into debt are private matters and nothing to do with others. Please stop trying to make us feel guilty for the inability of others to make their repayments.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 16:08
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Don, really???

Don, you have got to be kidding me. Why haven't you put 5-10% apart from your salary every month since the date you joined EK to save for the rainy days? What you are saying doesn't make any sense at all. But I'm not the brightest bulb in this building as you've mentioned earlier. If you haven't figured out yet that you don't work for a unionised airline I can't offer any help. We are all contractors here whether you like it not.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Oldaircrew
EK is just kicking the PF can down the road.
Except that the funds are held independently in the Isle of Man..........
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 17:28
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but EK is paying at one stage even held later offshore
new TnC won’t have it anymore like EY doesn’t have it at all - never had
12% over 2000 people every year is a good chunk of money they safe on a yearly basis
EK states always that the second highest expense position after fuel are the employees that’s included next to the operational costs - salary - medical - also al benefits - which are being copped down - can’t wait for the announcement for the rest that it’s gone and you can keep it on your own expense
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 18:19
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i don’t mean from a source point of view. emirates still handle the funds and I don’t think they will enjoy passing out another 400 odd Cheques. Better for them to wait the year and then do it after having just done 800 of them. Also, you know what people are like, once they get the funds from the fund manager, it’s going to be “their” money and it’s going to hurt parting with it.

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Old 5th Nov 2020, 22:55
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To those who where given the forced 1 year unpaid leave:

Think about this VERY carefully. As tempting as it may be to stay in DXB with a hopeful idea that your job may be there in a year, it could be a very dangerous decision. You could very well be faced with a termination letter one year forward and depending on EK, (if they are still solvent at that point) may have no easy access to your provident fund.

Read between the lines, follow your intuition and keep your eyes wide open. Personally, I have always pegged EK as "full of BS, spin and fantasy" at the best of times, imagine how they will be when under attack of bankruptcy.

Although I left well before this pandemic hit, I still know many fine folks who are still there and feel for their circumstance. Having said that, a potential loss of your retirement funds in a country that makes up the rules to suit them as it sees fit only serves them while ruining others.

Just a thought, suggestion or idea to those who have so much on their plate right now; Take the "bird in hand" and run! Take your retirement fund and run...fast and far. Then, invest it in your home country then tell EK that you love them and would love to come back and fly in a year if they want to have you (give them the same BS they just gave you)...this way you control the game, not them.

Best of luck to all.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 23:29
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146 - I am glad you will not respond to me.
This is my last response to you because it is not fair to have a battle of witts with an unarmed man!
I don't know what "Witts" is in the English language.

This thread was started by someone who sent out a dire warning, but instead of taking heed, people like your buddy Rex decided to ridicule the messenger and talk down to him like you do to a child.
At the time this thread was started, there was no known way of confirming the impending carnage. At the time there were a lot of people anxious about the future and the "warning" you are referring to was presented with zero evidence, but was causing a great deal of anxiety to the EK community. Unfortunately it has turned out to be true. I see the title of the thread has been amended from 30% to 50% (it probably should be revised upwards again.

The next issue is that you claim to have been in the sandpit for a long time, yet you think that should the remaining pilots volunteer for a pay cut, others might be saved. That is delusional! Management decides how many staff will stay and what remuneration they will receive. This is not a democracy and we have zero input to make!
I think you are the delusional one here mate. I was not suggesting that it was a job saving measure, I was saying that it was a charitable, LIFE saving measure to out colleagues who will have no income for food or other essentials for 12 months. I think the minimum wage for expat workers under UAE labour law is about 1500DHMs a month. Giving fellow company pilots that amount at least can make a big difference. If say 2000 777 pilots gave just 500 dhms a month to the 400 or so Unpaid leave colleagues, it is such a minuscule, doable, charitable act, that would make the difference between genuine hardship/ forced resignation, or staying employed.

I get it though, you don't want to do anything to help out, that is your right, sad though that pilots' wives can organise help but actual pilots would do nothing. There is NO solidarity amongst the pilot group in EK, in fact there never has been really. You have yourself a good day 146.

Oh Captain Sham - there was no option to choose acft types in 06, and as I had flown 717s and 146s, I didn't really care if I was put on Airbus or Boeing. Luck of the draw.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 06:39
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Awwwww Capn Rex Havoc all of a sudden you couldn’t deal with the credibility. I did decide to choose the “most uncredible source” while you clearly didn’t read Bloomberg which was also publishing the same news. Glad all of a sudden you agree it’s higher than the sentiment. But awwww you are so caring - let’s open that fund up and send to TC our 500 dirhams a month. Why don’t you contribute first.

I don’t think you are close to a pilot as far as I am concerned... you would have apologized many months ago. Enjoy your ego and zero contribution to helping your fellow EK pilots and let alone anyone else for that matter

Sad state of mind and I’m sure I’m going to hear another round of how dare that’s stated and another cry to pprune moderators to simply block - oh your fingers on a keyboard work?
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 07:55
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Jeez its so funny to see some guys just trying to be the next Mother Teresa.

I can guarantee pilots are helping pilots in the extent of their possibilities, maybe not posting it on forums or facebook just to be cheered by the other pilots. Suggesting all of the pilots to take a 10% or 5% cut just because of charity without caring about THEIR situation is what is so crazy for me.

If a Pilot that got offered UPL cannot put "food on the table" then that tells me everything, extremely bad financing, extremely high lifestyle etc, resign, get your 100k+ usd plus EOSB and start again somewhere else. That's what I'm planning to do anyway so don't tell me is BS because I'm not in that spot.
Otherwise if a Pilot just needs a push or a little help with another issue other than the stupidity of not being able to pay his loans I'm sure the rest of the pilot community will be happy to help.

Done with this BS
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 08:04
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc

At the time this thread was started, there was no known way of confirming the impending carnage. At the time there were a lot of people anxious about the future and the "warning" you are referring to was presented with zero evidence, but was causing a great deal of anxiety to the EK community. Unfortunately it has turned out to be true. I see the title of the thread has been amended from 30% to 50% (it probably should be revised upwards again.
I'll give you a hint:
PPRUNE: Professional Pilots Rumor Network
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 08:15
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Originally Posted by 5star
and btw Don, my name is also on that long long list of guys who got the one way ticket...It is what it is....I learned my ‘sandpit’ lesson the hard way....
I don’t miss EK for a second, but the flying and the good trips a lot....
still like a few others, would have loved the UPL option instead...

However, we’re moving on...got no other choice.....
It's a very long list 5 star, and filled with names of gentlemen, professionals and friends. I am sorry to hear you were part of this. I can only imagine the stress of being forced to leave at a time and on terms which were not your own. I hope you are doing ok.

My comments weren't aimed at you. And I am sorry if they appeared that way. The comments were aimed at those classy fellas, who on hearing that Rex was also made redundant, jumped up and down yelling we were right you were wrong, apologise to US. What a sad place our profession has descended into. But, perhaps it's a cultural thing.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 11:21
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termination letter one year forward and depending on EK, (if they are still solvent at that point) may have no easy access to your provident fund.
You would suggest then that all current 777 pilots and the 380 pilots still flying quit now in case there will be no PF in the future?

Don't really know what else to say about your 'advice'......
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