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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 4th Nov 2020, 07:32
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
A possible solution - to the 777 pilots - Write to TCT and take a 10% pay cut, (lots more 777 pilots than 380 pilots left) and divert those funds to the LWOP 380 pilots.

Pilots supporting pilots.
Do you actually know what is going on in the world, outside your little circle of aviation buddies? Compared to others, airline pilots have been remunerated reasonably well over the last few decades and by the very nature of their profession, one would expect them to make sound financial decisions as well. Yet, what we have witnessed among many, NOT ALL, is a pursuit of a lavish lifestyle and as a result overextending themselves. Are pilots not trained to expect a catastrophe at any moment and have a mitigating plan ready?

Your suggestion seems noble, but completely out of touch with reality. What is the word.......virtue signaling!
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 07:51
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donpizme

Just when you think you have heard it all!

So what you are saying is, we
should now donate money to pay off other people's loans?! You gotta be kiddin' right!

Who took out that loan and for what?

Don't you and Rexy think that these same people who you are suggesting should make a donation, are themselves in a cash conservation phase, trying to build up a reserve with this continuous sword hanging over their heads?

Final point! Are the 2 of you really that naive as to think that by asking TC for a pay cut, is going to save 1 pilot's salary? "Come on man!"

Ask me for something to eat and I will gladly help you, but pay off your loan? I don't think so!
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 08:41
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there is absolutely a point to agree
I cannot be you ask for help having a Porsche a merc I’d similar on the yard
in the wave of leaving I have seen how much money was spent in false security believes and all of that is put up on loans - I a country where you receive social security aid by the state you have to minimize your life style first - I am for eg not even allowed to have a car. So please don’t come up with bailout plans for keeping a lifestyle - if you starve or having a medical emergency while unable to pay for an insurance that’s a different story but sure not to keep the Porsche with the boat trailer
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 09:24
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yes
yes
yes
yes
who cares, peanuts in a broader perspective
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 09:44
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Well that certainly degenerated quickly. One fella suggests helping others, and then others come in saying its a crap idea as they aren't going to pay for PlayStations, IPhones, luxury cars and boats. Talk about point being missed!

​​​​There are lots of families doing it tough at the moment. For those of you that can think of someone other than yourself, please keep an eye on them. Most won't say they need help. Without a list some are going to be missed. But if we as a group don't look after each other, we are no better than those Muppets we make fun of.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 09:45
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5 Star.

You make assumptions.

Every single one of those so called benefits was given as in a way that avoided EK paying into the Provident Fund. Hence they were given as allowances.

Every single one of the benefits mentioned has been changed via a "contract adjustment letter" Paying towards school fees and limits on health insurance coverage spring to mind.

Pilots have been made redundant which is illegal under UAE law yet EK is semi government and therefore has no law.

Finally, given what Ahmed the Liar has done, do you believe ANYTHING EK say and do you BELIEVE they will keep their word.

I doubt you will find many takers.

I also endorse the wise words of Donpizmeov. Let us try to be kind to each other. Think of the poor kids. Many friends still there and they are stressed with both EK and their family life being destroyed.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 10:21
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donpizmeov

Helping other pilots is not a problem, we have been helping many since the first wave in the extent of the possibilities of each of us, assuming that "Every 777 pilot should voluntarily ask for a salary deduction" is the problem.
Why?
What makes you believe those pilots do not have loans? or maybe used their credit cards during the salary deduction period?
What makes you believe they don't need the money to save for the future? So far nobody has their jobs 100% assured.
What makes you believe they are not supporting other family members that probably lost everything as well?

So this is very unfortunate for everyone being affected but at the end I Insist, each one is responsible of its own finances, If you cant pay a loan, that was a risk you took when signing for it, not me or any other pilot so for me that's an stupid excuse, sell a car, sell a property, figure it out. There is no other option and you can't survive in Dubai? Then unfortunately you might have to resign take your money and go back home, it is not the end of the world just a result of a crisis + bad financial planning.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 11:01
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What a sad state of affairs. For many years I thought I made a mistake not going to EK when a lot of my buddies did. I thought things were bad at Cathay, but EK management appear to be the scum of the earth.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 11:28
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donpizmeov

No Don, your mate had a foolish idea, suggesting the B777 guys ask TC for a paycut in order to save someone else's pay. That is delusional. How long have you been here?

You always conveniently miss the point when it suits you. No one ever suggested not helping their fellow man, but that does not include bailing out loans. You specifically mentioned people who can not make their payments. Do you think that the 380 guys at EK are the only ones suffering right now and worthy financial help? Wake up and look around you! People needing help have been right under our noses for a long time! One day, many years ago I walked into a SEP classroom and there was a brown evelope on my group's table. The trainer explained that the cleaners are struggling to live on AED200 after sending AED400 home and kindly asked for a donation. Sitting in this big, shiny building and trying to process what I have just been told, made me sick to my stomach. I sort of remember that it was during the yearly "PPRUNE-how-many-weeks-of-profit-share-are-we-entitled-to" season.

Let us not get all self righteous now that our group has been struck with calamity. Suffering has always been around us, but funny how we could not see it!

I will continue to help where I see suffering and I will do it privately.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 11:34
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FoxAlfa21

Amen brother or sister! You are speaking the truth!
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 11:58
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 12:52
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So, some analysis,

The letter was sent out to the Remainder of the 380 pilots with the exception of all UAE Nationals and 30 selected expats and 15 TREs.

Everyone in non company-owned rented will be asked to leave and move into company accommodation. EK owns the land and villas. Any money borrowed to build is from local banks which are all owned by the royals. People with mortgages will only receive that amount. Nothing more. Cost neutral pretty much.

The schools are owned (like JESS which is run by EK but don't tell anyone) by the family. Parents who actually pay fees have been subsidising EK kids for years. Hence cost neutral pretty much.

So clean out your provident fund. Spend 20 months savings in Dubai (8 plus 12) and then we give you one month and tell you to leave.

Think carefully and I can assure the 777 guys that you ARE NEXT. EK are manipulative liars.

Be careful

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Old 4th Nov 2020, 14:45
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Pilots being pilots , eat their own ! Seems like some have already forgotten those that were culled. Shame really !
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 15:24
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When you think, you have seen it all.... 🤦🏼‍♂️

Looks like, that some people developed very thin nerves.

Quite unpleasant to see what EKís done to the people ☹️
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 15:51
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146 and xulu,
sorry I havenít been able to reply / Iíve been driving for 9 hours to look for work / any ways itís 0138 am here and I am disgusted at your posts. FFS we were one company - I thought there might be solidarity - but you have shown blatant disregard for your colleagues. Hell if the situation was reversed Iíd sacrifice 50 percent of my salary for my peers. Iím not one of the 12 months Lwop - I was sacked ages ago - I canít believe how bloody selfish and self entitled you are- you do know it was only LUCK that you were placed on a 777. 14 years ago I did the sim at ek on a 777 for selection and passed - and was sent to the 330. My career since has been on the Airbus. I was on the 330 - suffering- when the 777 boys were styling- now I make a suggestion- u know what how about 777 guys (say 2000 blokes) giving up 5 percent of there wages to help their aviator colleague. FFS what is wrong with you-l? Iím glad I am out of EK now - and ecstatic that I will never have to be associated with c..ts like you again.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 15:55
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Well put Rex!👍
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 16:08
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Rex,
It is blatantly obvious that English comprehension is not your strong point. You have no idea what we are trying to say.

BTW, are you regretting your first post on this thread yet? It is getting close to 50%!

All you have left to offer, is name calling which is duly noted. This is my last response to you because it is not fair to have a battle of witts with an unarmed man!
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 16:49
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ď14 years ago I did the sim at ek on a 777 for selection and passed - and was sent to the 330.Ē Did you try for the Boeing? I had been warned how bad life on the 330 was so when I was offered the 330 as well I politely declined informing them that as I only had Boeing experience it was not in EKs or my best interest to place me on an Airbus. I was told theyíd get back to me. 2 weeks later I was offered a 777 course. I guess was lucky.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 17:08
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Pat yourself on the back Sham , your timing is spot on !
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 17:41
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Captain Sham

Un-lucky the other way
all my life on airbus - was offered 777 - mentioned best interest for all would be airbus - yeah got it - and there we are
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