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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 20th Oct 2020, 02:39
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 09:43
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QNH1013 ; "Europeans in the ME with "wasta" - Oh yes, believe it. Many, many, many.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 10:38
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SHE has Wastaa. Not many supported by virtue of her work skills. No issue with being female. But very very questionable SIMs and upgrade performance or lack of.

The mind boggles....
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 17:57
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LOL Xulu. I haven't named her. But she is the ONLY one left. There were tons of better people and you know that. Not a follower. I just hear the pain of much better and much more competent people that Ahmed the Liar and Co trashed. Along with their kids. For me, its merit that I ask for. And merit is not something she has displayed.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 18:19
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So what? All of these countries have had a long held ďnationalisationĒ policy of one day being able to fill professional vacancies from indigenous nationals. Obviously, in rapidly expanding industries that is not likely to be a short or even medium term initiative. In addition, I also believe (even if some of these airline managements donít) that mistakes and struggling, are often a part of the learning process. I have over the last 40 years seen some people who struggled enormously early on, go on to make absolutely first rate pilots, and in many cases teachers and or managers in their own right. There are few things more satisfying than someone telling you ďthank youĒ for having faith and belief in them when maybe once it would have been much easier not to. Iíve also seen many cases of female pilots who were subject to often subtle bullying which only served to diminish their confidence when the opposite was what was really required.

These are really horrible times and peopleís livelihoods and lifestyles are being badly damaged or severely disrupted. That causes a lot of grief and anger and it is not surprising that people will lash out and feel there is a lot of unfairness and inequity. I get that, but it isnít right to single out somebody (even by subtle outing) just to assuage this anger.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 06:27
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you are Right to say don’t point on somebody
but for the picture
failed, passed, downgrade, passed again and whatever was next - some Fo had to 2 years for a second chance and never got it
she did all of that in just 3 years so i think it just fair enough to point out the unfairness which goes on in this airline
and we all know that a lot of luck is involved in your career path in this airline by who you talk to for support and who is gonna sit behind You and the amount of BS he is gonna distribute
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 15:08
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Latest I’ve seen on Routes Online... Looks to be about 30 airframes worth of flying.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 16:22
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To quote someone more familiar with the matter: “it’s just a glitch.....”.

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Old 26th Oct 2020, 11:58
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I don't think they'll have enough pilots left to operate those routes
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 08:20
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It amazes me that people are still talking about competency of this person vs that person. KPMG were not brought in to determine competency, they advised the company how to get rid of those pilots who cost the company more money, and most likely how to avoid any claims of unfair dismissal. Competency, or lack thereof, clearly had little to do with who went home and who didn't.
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 12:21
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Competency was the last thing they were concerned about, it was all about money. Wasta, however will always come into play, and it is galling when you are on the street when you know you have a good record but were deemed too expensive due to a medical incident or other genuine misfortune, whilst others who have known deficiencies but more wasta, cruise by.

I do think that when this picks up again they will be crying out for guys to come back, they have hundreds of aircraft that they can’t fly now due simply to the fact they dont have enough pilots to crew them. They either rehire or turn into Gulf Air II. How many do come back will be interesting since many will have either given up aviation, decided that home is indeed better than the desert, or will be getting better offers from other airlines who will equally be on the up at that stage and haven’t treated them like trash. Make no mistake that time will come, Covid isn’t forever.

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Old 28th Oct 2020, 02:59
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Originally Posted by Xulu View Post
After spending so much rested time with the family - the last thing I want to do is work through the night repeatedly. I was wrecked in the last couple years at max hours.
After spending so much time with the family, me thinks most will beg for 24 hours duties no days off
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 03:15
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Lol. I did see some interesting grumbles from EPW having to actually live with hubby now.

This has put a lot of strain on some marriages. Many held together by time apart and brunches.

Bliss bunking with the in-laws in a European Winter will be hard to find.

Guys I know forced to break off promising relationships to move home.
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 05:12
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STC said he won’t touch cash reserves as much as possible - therefore he sent families into
company had 20bnAED cash liquidity in April - while true they spent roughly 1,5bnAED on customers reembursment for Tickets which leaves 18,5 in the box
further they received approx 7bnAED from HH Mo makes 25,5
the cost to park airplanes in DWC are in no comparison to what other airlines must pay as EK parks them on HH Territory
1000 Pilots on 50% would have costed them 1,5bAED plus minus for 1year
the money was in the cash box but nobody was interested to find a different solution than the given one
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 07:13
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sorry WB1900, that can’t be right because Sheik A has publicly stated that the companies biggest asset is its employees.You are shattering my delusions....
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 16:31
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sorry WB1900, that canít be right because Sheik A has publicly stated that the companies biggest asset is its employees.You are shattering my delusions....
my illusion has left the building - without me
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 16:32
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I think itís clear that EK didnt really have that stash of cash.

Or maybe itís just sat in a Bognor Regis bank account.
well the annual state that in quite big letters
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 20:08
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If they had 18.5bn after refunds then why did they need another 7bn from Sheik Mo?
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 23:56
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If they had 18.5bn after refunds then why did they need another 7bn from Sheik Mo?
Cmon Fired600 - don't go against the propaganda machine of EK - resistance is useless
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 07:35
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For those interested - Dubai might have more money coming in than you think in future. Being drilled from Dubai area. So saying Dubai has no lines of credit might be incorrect.

https://www.worldoil.com/news/2020/2...est-since-2005

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