EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew
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I guess not enough to realize that EK QOL (if you call it that) is not that attractive, the lucky ones escaped back to those LoCos you speak of. Some are just still blinded by shiney big jet syndrome, you know those people who define themselves by the seat they sit in and the plane they fly (This can be evidenced by the majority of photos they have is in uniform or in front of their current aircraft), calling on company frequency affixing “super” to their callsign when calling for a cabin engineer! Yet others have internalized the EGHQ propaganda that they are the best of the best because they were selected by EK. Ironic because if that were true they would treat you with much more respect! The size of the plane and the exotic layovers are meaningless... it’s all about being at a company that at least pretends to care about you, has stability, protections, schedule flexibility/transparency, a good life/work balance... all things EK does not offer. It speaks volumes when they increased the training bond from 3 to 5 yrs, then imposed a training bond for upgrade. A reputable airline would have no such need as they would make sure there would be no reason to leave.
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Emiratization always was the plan from day 1 - the current crisis has just advanced the timescale. Whether they can avoid the sort of GF style debacle that we saw when they tried it is the question - personally given the calibre of some of those involved I doubt it very much.
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A once-in-a-century (hopefully?) global catastrophe was always going to have outsized consequences. A bit of perspective? The three months notice pay of an EK captain is more than most on the planet make in years.
EK's actions?
Which is why, I reiterate, no one would shed a tear if they imploded completely. The company itself is as virulent as Covid-19.
EK's actions?
Which is why, I reiterate, no one would shed a tear if they imploded completely. The company itself is as virulent as Covid-19.
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I get that you realise that you made a mistake coming to the sandpit but lets leave this discussion here and come back in 5 years and see if EK are having any problems attracting candidates for pilot vacancies - I cant see it, but if you are correct and nobody will come I'll donate $50 to the charity of your choice.
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The July 7 EK pilot letter:
Ref: *****/******
07 July 2020
***** *****
CAPTAIN
(AIRBUS)
Dear ******,
As you are aware, COVID-19 has had a severe impact on the global economy across all
sectors including our industry. Every business has had to re-examine its processes and
resources to match the operational and support requirement in the months ahead.
Following a review of resource requirements across all areas and in line with our business
operations, I regret to inform you that your position is being made redundant.
This means that your employment with the Company will cease by reason of redundancy, with
notice effective 12 th July 2020.
Notice Period Your contractual notice period is 90 calendar days. As part of this process you
will be notified by your line manager whether you are required to work all or part of your notice
period. You will receive your contractual basic salary and fixed allowances applicable to your
grade and position until your last day of service (LDS).
Your LDS will be 10 th October 2020.
There is no right of appeal against this redundancy decision.
Sponsorship and Visa Your Company sponsorship and residence visa will normally be
cancelled from your LDS. Following your visa cancellation there is a 29 day ‘grace period’
during which you may remain in the country, subject to any change in the Immigration laws of
the UAE.
Should you be unable to repatriate due to travel restrictions, your visa will be extended beyond
your LDS.
During the extended period, which will be reviewed regularly, you will be permitted to remain in
your company provided accommodation or you will continue to receive the monthly
accommodation allowance. For the same extended period a discretionary payment equivalent
to 25% of your contractual basic salary will be made to you whilst in the UAE. No other
allowances will be paid.
This discretionary payment will cease at the time of visa cancellation.
Medical Insurance The existing Company provided medical insurance for you and your
registered eligible dependants, will cease on your LDS.
If your visa has been extended beyond the LDS, you will be provided with category E company
medical coverage (including emergency/life threatening cover), for you and your registered
eligible dependants, at a designated hospital for the period of your visa extension and 29 day
grace period only. This will be effective from your LDS. The company will bear the cost of your
premium. The premiums for your registered eligible dependants will be recovered from your end
of service payment.
Final Settlement Option You will receive any outstanding remuneration, the value of your
unused annual leave, and End of Service Benefit or Provident Scheme benefits (as applicable)
as at your LDS. If your visa is extended, your final settlement will not normally be released until
your visa is cancelled. You may however request 50% of your final settlement to be released
following your LDS, subject to the conditions set out in the Termination of Contract of
Employment Policy, in the Dubai Employment Regulations Manual D1-1.
Support We understand you may have questions therefore please refer to the HR Frequently
Asked Questions (FAQ) which will be available on Group World. Alternatively, you can call the
HR Call Centre on 800 44525 (between 0900 and 1700 Sunday to Thursday) or email
[email protected] .
If you require additional support you can contact our Employee Assistance Programme (EAP)
on 04 7081200 (available 24/7) or email [email protected] .
May I take this opportunity to thank you for your service to the Company and wish you well for
your future. [And don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out etc.
]
Yours sincerely,
Abdulaziz Al Ali Executive Vice President – Human Resources
P.O.Box 686. Dubai. United Arab Emirates Tel: +971 4 708 1111 emirates.com emirates.com
07 July 2020
***** *****
CAPTAIN
(AIRBUS)
Dear ******,
As you are aware, COVID-19 has had a severe impact on the global economy across all
sectors including our industry. Every business has had to re-examine its processes and
resources to match the operational and support requirement in the months ahead.
Following a review of resource requirements across all areas and in line with our business
operations, I regret to inform you that your position is being made redundant.
This means that your employment with the Company will cease by reason of redundancy, with
notice effective 12 th July 2020.
Notice Period Your contractual notice period is 90 calendar days. As part of this process you
will be notified by your line manager whether you are required to work all or part of your notice
period. You will receive your contractual basic salary and fixed allowances applicable to your
grade and position until your last day of service (LDS).
Your LDS will be 10 th October 2020.
There is no right of appeal against this redundancy decision.
Sponsorship and Visa Your Company sponsorship and residence visa will normally be
cancelled from your LDS. Following your visa cancellation there is a 29 day ‘grace period’
during which you may remain in the country, subject to any change in the Immigration laws of
the UAE.
Should you be unable to repatriate due to travel restrictions, your visa will be extended beyond
your LDS.
During the extended period, which will be reviewed regularly, you will be permitted to remain in
your company provided accommodation or you will continue to receive the monthly
accommodation allowance. For the same extended period a discretionary payment equivalent
to 25% of your contractual basic salary will be made to you whilst in the UAE. No other
allowances will be paid.
This discretionary payment will cease at the time of visa cancellation.
Medical Insurance The existing Company provided medical insurance for you and your
registered eligible dependants, will cease on your LDS.
If your visa has been extended beyond the LDS, you will be provided with category E company
medical coverage (including emergency/life threatening cover), for you and your registered
eligible dependants, at a designated hospital for the period of your visa extension and 29 day
grace period only. This will be effective from your LDS. The company will bear the cost of your
premium. The premiums for your registered eligible dependants will be recovered from your end
of service payment.
Final Settlement Option You will receive any outstanding remuneration, the value of your
unused annual leave, and End of Service Benefit or Provident Scheme benefits (as applicable)
as at your LDS. If your visa is extended, your final settlement will not normally be released until
your visa is cancelled. You may however request 50% of your final settlement to be released
following your LDS, subject to the conditions set out in the Termination of Contract of
Employment Policy, in the Dubai Employment Regulations Manual D1-1.
Support We understand you may have questions therefore please refer to the HR Frequently
Asked Questions (FAQ) which will be available on Group World. Alternatively, you can call the
HR Call Centre on 800 44525 (between 0900 and 1700 Sunday to Thursday) or email
[email protected] .
If you require additional support you can contact our Employee Assistance Programme (EAP)
on 04 7081200 (available 24/7) or email [email protected] .
May I take this opportunity to thank you for your service to the Company and wish you well for
your future. [And don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out etc.
]Yours sincerely,
Abdulaziz Al Ali Executive Vice President – Human Resources
P.O.Box 686. Dubai. United Arab Emirates Tel: +971 4 708 1111 emirates.com emirates.com
They had a reputation with pax for a wide route network, lots of movie channels, lots of free drinks and you're allowed to bully and abuse the cabin crew without fear of repercussion. The pax will come back readily when travel opens up again. None of them will give a sh!t about what happened to a bunch of overpaid pilots a year or two ago.
They had a reputation amongst pilots as a place where you could get paid better than the 3rd world, upgraded quicker than the first world and fly shiny new jets. New pilots won't give a rat's ass what happened to the current lot. They will still fill the ranks on whatever half-rate deal the leaders come up with and as time goes by they'll lament the "good old days" of 2021 2022, or so. Eventually one of them will crash something somewhere.
They had a reputation amongst pilots as a place where you could get paid better than the 3rd world, upgraded quicker than the first world and fly shiny new jets. New pilots won't give a rat's ass what happened to the current lot. They will still fill the ranks on whatever half-rate deal the leaders come up with and as time goes by they'll lament the "good old days" of 2021 2022, or so. Eventually one of them will crash something somewhere.
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The EK Flight Ops email cover letter:
From: Fleet Management <[email protected]>
Date: 8 July 2020 at 10:52:17 GMT
To: Capt ************ <******.*****@emirates.com>
Subject: Important: Group Resources Review
CONFIDENTIAL
Dear *******,
As you know, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to have an unprecedented impact on businesses and economies around the world. The impact on the travel industry has been particularly severe and whilst we have already taken measures to control costs, it has become inevitable that we need to reduce our resources in line with business requirements.
Following a review of all areas across the group, I regret to inform you that your role has been made redundant. This has been a difficult decision for us and we want to assure you that we will manage this situation in a supportive and respectful manner.
Please see the attached letter confirming the redundancy of your role. We have also posted FAQ’s on Group World for further clarification (please find the link below). Details of our EAP support line and our HR Hotline are included in the letter. You will be assigned an EOS co-ordinator who will contact you to support you through the EOS processes.
Please be mindful that you are required to adhere to Emirates Group policies during your notice period. This includes strict policies against downloading Company information and data onto personal devices. If you have any questions about this, please contact your HR Business Partner or line manager.
We thank you for your understanding and assure you of our support through this transition.
http://gw.groupworld.emirates.com/gw...s_June2020.pdf
Kind regards,
Captain Hassan Al Hammadi
DSVP Flight Operations | Emirates
P.O. Box 686 | Dubai | United Arab Emirates
T +971 4 708 4230 | emirates.com
Date: 8 July 2020 at 10:52:17 GMT
To: Capt ************ <******.*****@emirates.com>
Subject: Important: Group Resources Review
CONFIDENTIAL
Dear *******,
As you know, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to have an unprecedented impact on businesses and economies around the world. The impact on the travel industry has been particularly severe and whilst we have already taken measures to control costs, it has become inevitable that we need to reduce our resources in line with business requirements.
Following a review of all areas across the group, I regret to inform you that your role has been made redundant. This has been a difficult decision for us and we want to assure you that we will manage this situation in a supportive and respectful manner.
Please see the attached letter confirming the redundancy of your role. We have also posted FAQ’s on Group World for further clarification (please find the link below). Details of our EAP support line and our HR Hotline are included in the letter. You will be assigned an EOS co-ordinator who will contact you to support you through the EOS processes.
Please be mindful that you are required to adhere to Emirates Group policies during your notice period. This includes strict policies against downloading Company information and data onto personal devices. If you have any questions about this, please contact your HR Business Partner or line manager.
We thank you for your understanding and assure you of our support through this transition.
http://gw.groupworld.emirates.com/gw...s_June2020.pdf
Kind regards,
Captain Hassan Al Hammadi
DSVP Flight Operations | Emirates
P.O. Box 686 | Dubai | United Arab Emirates
T +971 4 708 4230 | emirates.com
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When the government money runs out.....other airlines are going to be just as ruthless.
When the government money runs out.....other airlines are going to be just as ruthless.
I genuinely hope that those who have had a little more breathing space before getting chopped have taken as many steps as possible to financially disengage from the UAE.
I can’t emphasise enough how important it is to not have any amount outstanding or being considered liable for.
Don’t think for one second that your once friendly bank manager won’t invoke the various archaic UAE banking laws to protect themselves but throw you and potentially your family under the proverbial White Nissan Patrol.
I can’t emphasise enough how important it is to not have any amount outstanding or being considered liable for.
Don’t think for one second that your once friendly bank manager won’t invoke the various archaic UAE banking laws to protect themselves but throw you and potentially your family under the proverbial White Nissan Patrol.
The time needs to be blanked out on the letter quoted in post #478 as it gives the exact time, to the second when it was sent out ,and is therefore easy to trace back to the person it was sent to.
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You dont get EOSB because you have Provident Fund. I suppose they could sack you immediately so that you dont get your final 3 months pay, but I suspect there are somewhat more important things going on.
