Saudi’s dirty game against its pilots
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Words fail me here so I’m sorry but … Hahaha
Priceless and only too common, Arab egoistic stupidity combined with a very real facade of a pseudo non existent ‘superior’ personality is what the dumbest persons on this planet are normally genetically made of.
And SAUDIA leads this looney bunch by a country mile
Words fail me here so I’m sorry but … Hahaha
Priceless and only too common, Arab egoistic stupidity combined with a very real facade of a pseudo non existent ‘superior’ personality is what the dumbest persons on this planet are normally genetically made of.
And SAUDIA leads this looney bunch by a country mile
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Saudia is forcing all expat captains to request a six months unpaid leave as of April 15, 2020 otherwise face termination. This course of action is contrary to the labour law of the kingdom. They did this by telephone calls and refused to put it in writing. They wanted it to appear as if the captains are requesting the leave. Very dirty game by an airlines that is celebrating 75 years of service. Shame on the Saudia management!
Saudia airline/sacm paid for my bachelor's degree as well as the FAA pt. 141 pilot license and many others like myself due to the SAUDIZATION (just as many of yall worded it) in the industry. This pandemic has made a very soon future decision an immediate/necessary one, nothing more.
I believe there's nothing wrong with a country trying to improve itself socially and in everything (improve to change, and change to improve) We as saudis (its time) have to step up and take responsibility for all professions and jobs to work hard and prove that we deserve our offered free education domestically and overseas which we used to have all these years (and we get paid for going to school btw). In other words, it's not easy even for us as saudis to fill up every job in every field with not that much of an experience generally speaking, but as a prime rule for having a thriving organization/community we'll let a small loss take place instead of a big loss (long run goals - - vision2030)
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Because at that time we had no flight schools in the country,.. However due to the high demand and development in the field, now there's more than one flight school, and more than one airline. We're kind of late but never too late for a change.
Firstly, we did not see a single Saudi working for the airlines of your country, secondly if it was as bad as you claim then why did not leave it to get another job, thirdly the Saudis worked to provide oil to the world through Aramco and for decades , Are you sure we could not run an airline !!
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Its the cheapest place to do that, “most bang for your buck” due to the developed Economies of Scales, note that Chinese government has bought flight school in the U.S. to train there citizens.
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Hmm your first point. Saudi's not working for other airlines. You might want to have a think of why that is. Second point, it is about remuneration being so good (and even when it is there are a lot of pilots who will forgo that enticement to have a normal lifestyle). Ask yourself why, but you will probably have to be told. Third point. Saudi's worked to provide oil to the world. If that was the case you would not have needed expats to do the work.
You keep talking as if Saudis aren’t capable to become captains and yes not all first officers are; but enough are. So, instead of looking down at us and wanting our money, you can go elsewhere, how about back to your country?
Interestingly enough non- middle east pilots appear to be hired everywhere including areas where they are not in a country that in anyway be classified as one of their own. Which makes it no surprise that Saudi pilots can find employment with other airlines in the region (but elsewhere?).
I have been fortunate enough to have trained some Saudi's that would have been an asset in any airforce. And from my experience the percentage of those that make this grade is far lower than in other countries. So based on this plus and other experience gained I have no doubt that there are very capable Saudi Captains but would argue that percentage would be less than elsewhere. This is not just ability but also being a product of your environment. I had one student that would have aced Top Gun but how was he ever going to hone his skills and become an ace in space when his fellow squadron members where not overly interested in flying. In any country anywhere an overconfident, arrogant individual without ability to back up their belief in themselves (his ego is writing cheques his body cannot cash) is looked at with disdain by others unless the whole country is over confident and arrogant. Looking down on you, having experienced treatment of a non Saudi in Saudi please don't be a hypocrite.
I have been fortunate enough to have trained some Saudi's that would have been an asset in any airforce. And from my experience the percentage of those that make this grade is far lower than in other countries. So based on this plus and other experience gained I have no doubt that there are very capable Saudi Captains but would argue that percentage would be less than elsewhere. This is not just ability but also being a product of your environment. I had one student that would have aced Top Gun but how was he ever going to hone his skills and become an ace in space when his fellow squadron members where not overly interested in flying. In any country anywhere an overconfident, arrogant individual without ability to back up their belief in themselves (his ego is writing cheques his body cannot cash) is looked at with disdain by others unless the whole country is over confident and arrogant. Looking down on you, having experienced treatment of a non Saudi in Saudi please don't be a hypocrite.
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With all respect and to try make it simple. This is the world we live in, countries will always hire their own over foreigners. I don’t expect that I could be hired by Delta or Lufthansa due to my nationality and regardless of anything else.
Saudi has a growing population and one day sooner or later we will be able to fill all captain spots.
I believe if someone wants to work overseas, they should look for a country that doesn’t have the population (qatar) or the qualification like china for example where there is a lot of expansion and not a lot of qualified nationals, but we all know that if the Chinese have the qualified nationals they wouldn’t ever give the job to an outsider, they have a lot of jobless people already.
I wish you luck and that you get fair treatment. If there is fingers to point, point it at this virus and not at airlines trying to protect jobs of there nationals
Saudi has a growing population and one day sooner or later we will be able to fill all captain spots.
I believe if someone wants to work overseas, they should look for a country that doesn’t have the population (qatar) or the qualification like china for example where there is a lot of expansion and not a lot of qualified nationals, but we all know that if the Chinese have the qualified nationals they wouldn’t ever give the job to an outsider, they have a lot of jobless people already.
I wish you luck and that you get fair treatment. If there is fingers to point, point it at this virus and not at airlines trying to protect jobs of there nationals
Understand that it may be somewhat repetitive in areas but unless it is vitriolic and becoming a diatribe, whilst people are still posting than why close? Let it die a natural death where posts stop. As has been pointed out mannnnny times if you do not like something on social media don’t read it, open it, follow it.
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Very often seen during a mass calamity or catastrophe such as hurricanes or earthquakes, most people hunker down for protection. Some run indoors some go back where they came from while others simply brave the storm. But there are a few, very few even, who actually look forward to such a calamity and take this opportunity to in fact dig the graves of the dead in the hope of finding any possible valuables that they may be able to steal or get a hold of ! Sometimes they go a step further and even kill a person who is in fact alive and simply seeking protection from the same catastrophe, so as to vandalize and steal his valuables and possessions.
This grave digger mentality best describes the Saudia way of dealing and their normal reaction during situations such as these covid 19 days !
Not only is Saudia sacking its entire expat workforce unscrupulously and unethically with little or minimum notice but it is going a step further ensuring that the goal posts are moved around perfectly to suit its illegal game. Pilots are left hanging to dry onto a piece of string with just weeks of notice and then even the little remuneration that is is due to them is withdrawn stating some obsolete law of the land or the other. These laws are changed overnight to suit and feed the pockets of corrupt officials in an already sinking state economy.
This is not a new normal. This is simply the normal, which is nothing new !
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Kicking out a fully operational pilot at the slightest hint of a quarterly loss in company earnings during a global pandemic is pathetic and unscrupulous. Denying him his basic rights and remunerations when he is already reeling at a job loss is simply sick !
And very very Saudi in nature.
This grave digger mentality best describes the Saudia way of dealing and their normal reaction during situations such as these covid 19 days !
Not only is Saudia sacking its entire expat workforce unscrupulously and unethically with little or minimum notice but it is going a step further ensuring that the goal posts are moved around perfectly to suit its illegal game. Pilots are left hanging to dry onto a piece of string with just weeks of notice and then even the little remuneration that is is due to them is withdrawn stating some obsolete law of the land or the other. These laws are changed overnight to suit and feed the pockets of corrupt officials in an already sinking state economy.
This is not a new normal. This is simply the normal, which is nothing new !
🤬
Kicking out a fully operational pilot at the slightest hint of a quarterly loss in company earnings during a global pandemic is pathetic and unscrupulous. Denying him his basic rights and remunerations when he is already reeling at a job loss is simply sick !
And very very Saudi in nature.
Last edited by Lucifer786; 24th May 2020 at 09:01. Reason: Typos