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Old 24th Mar 2020, 16:18
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel View Post
This is a pragmatic choice by EK. Their calculus is based on the fact that its a temporary measure, and taking some short term pain is better than the long term impact of laying off staff. Will be interesting to see if this extends beyond a few weeks.
My point exactly - very non-middle Eastern. One would have expected them to take the most egregious, fool hardened short time decisions. There might be hope after all !
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 03:51
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
My point exactly - very non-middle Eastern. One would have expected them to take the most egregious, fool hardened short time decisions. There might be hope after all !
I'm sure this is a very calculated decision. By not forcing people on unpaid leave and with most crew in Dubai they are ready to ramp up with a day's notice when the go is given thereby grabbing a big market share of those who have to travel as soon as they can (lots of people are stuck overseas).
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 07:39
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Originally Posted by DuneMentat View Post
I'm sure this is a very calculated decision. By not forcing people on unpaid leave and with most crew in Dubai they are ready to ramp up with a day's notice when the go is given thereby grabbing a big market share of those who have to travel as soon as they can (lots of people are stuck overseas).
That's a good point. Another thing that comes to mind is that a significant proportion of EK's capacity has served markets that have (so far!) been relatively unaffected by Covid-19; India, much of SEA, Africa etc... I assume that most of that demand will come back quite quickly if the infection numbers in these areas stabilise in the next weeks. Contrast with the American and European airlines, who I think have a much higher capacity serving the badly hit regions.

With its geographically diversified route footprint, if I were a pilot, I'd personally rather be at EK than almost any other airline I can think of right now - purely in terms of job security.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 08:38
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel View Post
That's a good point. Another thing that comes to mind is that a significant proportion of EK's capacity has served markets that have (so far!) been relatively unaffected by Covid-19; India, much of SEA, Africa etc... I assume that most of that demand will come back quite quickly if the infection numbers in these areas stabilise in the next weeks. Contrast with the American and European airlines, who I think have a much higher capacity serving the badly hit regions.

With its geographically diversified route footprint, if I were a pilot, I'd personally rather be at EK than almost any other airline I can think of right now - purely in terms of job security.
If you think Africa is not affected.. I suggest you think again.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/

And I think India has low rates because they are not testing.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 13:04
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel View Post
With its geographically diversified route footprint, if I were a pilot, I'd personally rather be at EK than almost any other airline I can think of right now - purely in terms of job security.
I think partial pay sure beats no pay. I've tried both over the years.

EK knows that they will get government support. And if things get really bad, they can go to the piggy bank in Abu Dhabi. And maybe rebrand as Khalifa Airways sans the A380 'Albatross' fleet.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 15:30
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I think it may the the last straw and drive the merger of Emirates with Etihad and form a purely National airline. Etihad has been losing money hand over fist and this would be the ideal time to reorganise the whole aviation sector in the country. What to do about all the airports though...

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Old 25th Mar 2020, 21:12
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel View Post
With its geographically diversified route footprint, if I were a pilot, I'd personally rather be at EK than almost any other airline I can think of right now - purely in terms of job security.
That argument could swing both ways. Any northern European airline flying bucket and spade only to Spain needs just one country border to re-open. Each ME3 carrier needs 160+ country borders to re-open, and to stay open, in order to restore its full network coverage. Every time a lock down is lifted, the virus returns from overseas travellers (isn't HK now into its 3rd wave of the virus?)... the M3 need to funnel pax from all 160+ countries to fill those 380s out of the hubs. Even if all country borders stay closed, most other major carriers will have some domestic air travel to fall back on once the virus is contained back home.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 21:55
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel View Post
a significant proportion of EK's capacity has served markets that have (so far!) been relatively unaffected by Covid-19; India, much of SEA, Africa etc... I assume that most of that demand will come back quite quickly if the infection numbers in these areas stabilise in the next weeks. Contrast with the American and European airlines, who I think have a much higher capacity serving the badly hit regions.
I doubt any continent will be immune to major CV-19 outbreaks. I'd rather my chances in North America and Europe than in Africa, India and South East Asia. The west will be quicker to contain this than certain parts of the under developed world... or at least have the billions of dollars to throw at it and try.


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Old 25th Mar 2020, 21:56
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Old 26th Mar 2020, 06:23
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding View Post
I doubt any continent will be immune to major CV-19 outbreaks. I'd rather my chances in North America and Europe than in Africa, India and South East Asia. The west will be quicker to contain this than certain parts of the under developed world... or at least have the billions of dollars to throw at it and try.
The one saving grace for the less developed parts of the world, which are also less democratic, is that they may be a little more autocratic in how they manage the movements of their population. In turn, their inhabitants are more likely to take heed of what they are being told to do. The 'touchy-feely' approach in Europe hasn't worked well but it takes a very strong leader to remove the freedom of those that elected him/her to power, before any crisis has materialised.
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Old 26th Mar 2020, 07:07
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A good job you're not stuck in India

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