Australian recruiters failing middle eastern guys at QATAR AIRWAY
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Mods seem to allow a lot more leeway these days. Mate of mine did jail time (Banned) for much lighter stuff & I too was given a severe dressing down by the Mods for using words like "Twerp" ! I should go to another section and ask of the Mods ; "Where Are They Now ? "
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Labu, The Australian guy who failed you, is my new hero.
He just saved us all from having to sometimes operate in the same airspace as you. Huge increase in safety.
Try to look at it less emotionally. Aviation is not for everyone, maybe you should just get the hint and change career. By the sounds of it, you have issues Cebu and Qatar. You might find that you will have issues with every airline you deal with.
He just saved us all from having to sometimes operate in the same airspace as you. Huge increase in safety.
Try to look at it less emotionally. Aviation is not for everyone, maybe you should just get the hint and change career. By the sounds of it, you have issues Cebu and Qatar. You might find that you will have issues with every airline you deal with.
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Well, I agree with you guys hitting on Labu. To much complaining about an recruitment event is just not overly professional.
However, I had, long time ago, I think it was Dragonair back in 2006, a not very nice panel interview with them. One of the recruitment team members was a former police officer now doing pilot recruitment(it's the obvious thing, isn't it^^. That's what police officers shine at - at recruiting pilots ;-) )for this asian guys, british guy if I recall correctly . I guess he just DID NOT like me(mainland western european). All the 45 mins of that interview went around IF I could adopt living in HK(and I was already abroad a lot at that time, but hey). So I left that interview with the clear feeling that I failed and it was like that.
Point is. There are ALWAYS humans involved during a recruitment process(thanks god). That means that IF the "chemistry" is not right most likely that guy/gal WILL fail you. Because in that situation they are on the winning end of the food chain.
Most of us(at least that bunch that has been around a while and was forced to change employer already a few times during their "career"(wrong name for most pilots lifes, isn't it, not much of it remains since the last century I want to point out)) experienced that at least once in their life. Can be that someone does not like you and he will make sure you will not make it into that company. Pain in the ass for me at that time was that my employer went bust and I really needed a job. But the jerk had to discuss with me WHERE(I even checked out some places) in bloody HK I could live and if my family and me would like it(like some employers really care if you like your base). Had to do a "lease" job for some months till I found some other decent(nothing special as it was in ME which is an other arkward story of my life but not here) job to feed my family.
I would go even further and would say that some persons are in the absolute wrong position sometimes recruiting pilots, we all know the different "phases" of EK, then there was the other "unspeakable" middle eastern airline that had once a brits managament including recruitment guys, then it changed to german till it was tipped again and back to lovely brits. Guys got hired by germans and lost contracts with the brits because "they had to do it all over again". Or QR when they went a bit "indian".Just a few examples of far to many.
This IS the world of aviation Labu, live with it. You are for sure not the only one that MAYBE got shot down because someone did not like you. Or simply you just did not meet the expectations. Who knows? Go on with your life, your job. Like we all do.Interviews are a lot about qualification, I think we all agree on that. But, the tipping point is still symphaty - they, or someone, does not like your nose, you never get the job.
However, I had, long time ago, I think it was Dragonair back in 2006, a not very nice panel interview with them. One of the recruitment team members was a former police officer now doing pilot recruitment(it's the obvious thing, isn't it^^. That's what police officers shine at - at recruiting pilots ;-) )for this asian guys, british guy if I recall correctly . I guess he just DID NOT like me(mainland western european). All the 45 mins of that interview went around IF I could adopt living in HK(and I was already abroad a lot at that time, but hey). So I left that interview with the clear feeling that I failed and it was like that.
Point is. There are ALWAYS humans involved during a recruitment process(thanks god). That means that IF the "chemistry" is not right most likely that guy/gal WILL fail you. Because in that situation they are on the winning end of the food chain.
Most of us(at least that bunch that has been around a while and was forced to change employer already a few times during their "career"(wrong name for most pilots lifes, isn't it, not much of it remains since the last century I want to point out)) experienced that at least once in their life. Can be that someone does not like you and he will make sure you will not make it into that company. Pain in the ass for me at that time was that my employer went bust and I really needed a job. But the jerk had to discuss with me WHERE(I even checked out some places) in bloody HK I could live and if my family and me would like it(like some employers really care if you like your base). Had to do a "lease" job for some months till I found some other decent(nothing special as it was in ME which is an other arkward story of my life but not here) job to feed my family.
I would go even further and would say that some persons are in the absolute wrong position sometimes recruiting pilots, we all know the different "phases" of EK, then there was the other "unspeakable" middle eastern airline that had once a brits managament including recruitment guys, then it changed to german till it was tipped again and back to lovely brits. Guys got hired by germans and lost contracts with the brits because "they had to do it all over again". Or QR when they went a bit "indian".Just a few examples of far to many.
This IS the world of aviation Labu, live with it. You are for sure not the only one that MAYBE got shot down because someone did not like you. Or simply you just did not meet the expectations. Who knows? Go on with your life, your job. Like we all do.Interviews are a lot about qualification, I think we all agree on that. But, the tipping point is still symphaty - they, or someone, does not like your nose, you never get the job.
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I totally agree with you but what amaze me , it’s still happening in the 21 century where the hate is still there but trust me I seen it happening to my friend they have axed him out because he was Asian and this is happening at EK too and other carriers
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Of course it happens Labu. Everywhere.
Do not respect chinese and it will happen there(or even if you respect them but they have to axe you because they need to fail a certain percentage), Japan, same. Middle East - OF COURSE. Most likely the place where you can expect the most racism.
And I tell you what - hate was there 500 years ago, most certainly in the 20th century and of course in the 21st. Guess what - it will be the same in the 25th century. As long as humans "run" the world nothing really will change.
Now - if you could PROOF such a thing you claim(and many other of us experienced onced in a while) for instance in Europe or the US you could actually do something about it. Problem, how to proof such an individual and personal thing. BUT - ME is the Wild West. They do what they want and when they want. And guess what(again ^^) - it would not even stop AFTER they would employ you(more or less the same case with China). Still you could be target of unfair punishment and you could do nothing about it except maybe jump ship(if you got another job lined up already).
Maybe it was a good thing not to enter that outfit, who knows. I, most certainly, do NOT miss my time with QR in the early 2000's.....A B is still around, so I think nothing has changed there either.
Do not respect chinese and it will happen there(or even if you respect them but they have to axe you because they need to fail a certain percentage), Japan, same. Middle East - OF COURSE. Most likely the place where you can expect the most racism.
And I tell you what - hate was there 500 years ago, most certainly in the 20th century and of course in the 21st. Guess what - it will be the same in the 25th century. As long as humans "run" the world nothing really will change.
Now - if you could PROOF such a thing you claim(and many other of us experienced onced in a while) for instance in Europe or the US you could actually do something about it. Problem, how to proof such an individual and personal thing. BUT - ME is the Wild West. They do what they want and when they want. And guess what(again ^^) - it would not even stop AFTER they would employ you(more or less the same case with China). Still you could be target of unfair punishment and you could do nothing about it except maybe jump ship(if you got another job lined up already).
Maybe it was a good thing not to enter that outfit, who knows. I, most certainly, do NOT miss my time with QR in the early 2000's.....A B is still around, so I think nothing has changed there either.
I am guessing the other multitude of nationalities that are working in QR somehow slipped through the cracks . Big call to say nationality is used to exclude there, as their pilots list would prove otherwise .
Labu : I recall flying with a blue-eyed, blond -haired , white skinned, delightful FO in the ME. He claimed, in the night-stop bar that he was very racist. He said that he hated all white men ! Larfed so much I spilled me drink. Of course it exists, always has. I failed to get into CX in the 70's because , having been born in India, the "twerp" of a DFO thought that meant that I was Indian and stated ; " We don't want any Indians here". For the few who don't get it, that means that if you were born in a stable, you must be a horse ! I have that on Authority but can't testify to accuracy. It is a long , now, amusing story but at the time of finding out, it hurt. Despite numerous and at sometime humorous further attempts at CX selection, I never got in. Although very close to success with (ASL) CX freighter DEC, something went wrong at the last stage and I got the three line reject slip. Nudge & wink I guess.
At one of the CX (mainline) stage two interviews in the 80's, the HR Rep took umbridge with my humour. 747 Rep didn't like my attitude because I fought back at very silly questions about bleed control valves,FMC stuff , etc. I was , at that time, a B757, experienced Commander They were awaiting 747's with winglets and FMC's and asked why the 747-400 had winglets. Nah, didn't get in at that attempt either.
The HR bod went on to Virgin. Labu, I know you get the point. I , later, applied to Virgin, heard from the ex CX Hr chap that all he could do was place me in the recruitment pool. I Never got out ! Perhaps he hoped I would drown.
But, it has all got better. I am told that CX has lots of Asians. We were a global mix at GF where I was welcomed and stayed for nearly two decades. In fact , being born in India in 1947 ( sorry, but we called it British India) , I got a few funny looks from pure Indians. Can't win eh ?
I thought you were referring to your own case, Labu, but you call him your buddy ( sorry, didn't read all the posts). Either way, as others have exhorted, move on, look back, and larf out loud. I'm off to the pool to work on me tan.
At one of the CX (mainline) stage two interviews in the 80's, the HR Rep took umbridge with my humour. 747 Rep didn't like my attitude because I fought back at very silly questions about bleed control valves,FMC stuff , etc. I was , at that time, a B757, experienced Commander They were awaiting 747's with winglets and FMC's and asked why the 747-400 had winglets. Nah, didn't get in at that attempt either.
The HR bod went on to Virgin. Labu, I know you get the point. I , later, applied to Virgin, heard from the ex CX Hr chap that all he could do was place me in the recruitment pool. I Never got out ! Perhaps he hoped I would drown.
But, it has all got better. I am told that CX has lots of Asians. We were a global mix at GF where I was welcomed and stayed for nearly two decades. In fact , being born in India in 1947 ( sorry, but we called it British India) , I got a few funny looks from pure Indians. Can't win eh ?
I thought you were referring to your own case, Labu, but you call him your buddy ( sorry, didn't read all the posts). Either way, as others have exhorted, move on, look back, and larf out loud. I'm off to the pool to work on me tan.
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In fact, being born in India in 1947 ( sorry, but we called it British India) , I got a few funny looks from pure Indians. Can't win eh ?
thats because you lost your accent
thats because you lost your accent
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I’ve done a lot of recruitment, both interviews and simulator assessments. If the basic requirements were met we would invite the candidate for interview. If the simulator assessment was good enough and the candidate showed capacity to be trained, it was all up to the interview. The principle was that an experienced pilot can be trained to a very good standard, whereas an unpleasant personality will remain unpleasant for decades. Personality was everything. If any interviewer had a less than positive gut feeling the candidate was out.
Re QR, we now have 118 nationalities among the pilots. Racist it is absolutely not. But the race card is a very convenient excuse for someone who failed and whose personality might need a bit of introspection.
Re QR, we now have 118 nationalities among the pilots. Racist it is absolutely not. But the race card is a very convenient excuse for someone who failed and whose personality might need a bit of introspection.
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The problem I did not fail the interview but I came across people who had interviews with Qatar Airways they have failed for there race or nationality when you come from the Places in Europe and they have classes for your passport that’s racism and now places like INDIA Requiting expats it’s a game change by the way Qatar airways can have 118. Nationalities but still when my friend went to the interview he is Asian the panel was 2 Australian and one European they failed him in the personal interview if you want to make it fare bring somebody who is Asian to make it fair because you don’t fail people in the personal interview and call that not a racist
So is everyone who doesn't get through an interview a victim of racism?
short flights long nights
Is this not the ‘new’ way.??? .... If I don’t get my own way.. I’m going to stamp my feet, hold my breath, and play the outrage card, and then demand a ‘ safe space’ to cuddle up with a Teddy Bear.. until I finally get my own way?
After all.. the world owes me a living...
After all.. the world owes me a living...