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Mortgage in homecountry and moving to the ME?

Old 16th Nov 2018, 08:48
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Mortgage in homecountry and moving to the ME?

Hello, I was wondering how other people organized this when they moved to the ME. Do a lot of people still have their home at their homecountry or is this a rare thing? I own a home but I think I want to keep it for the future. Is it a wise thing to keep it or is it better to sell it? What do you guys think. Cheers
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 10:36
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Absolutely keep something at home. Rent it out if needs be but one of the biggest mistakes people make is to sell up everything at home. Your priority should be to pay your mortgage off ASAP so you have somewhere to go if your dreams turn to, er, sand. The Middle East will never, ever be 'home'.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 11:54
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Yeah I was thinking the same. Should be easy to pay off with the salary from the ME that if you can handle money. Renting out is a good option. Only to professionals tho. Not to students etc they will destroy my home! I hear and read alot about ppl going to the ME but never how they handled their homes in their country.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 12:21
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Keep your house in your home country for sure. Just send money back to pay the mortgage. As long as its being paid I don't think the banks will care where you are in the world.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 12:39
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The question is when should you start looking to buy a second place in your home country .
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 12:43
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Originally Posted by seven3seven View Post
Keep your house in your home country for sure. Just send money back to pay the mortgage. As long as its being paid I don't think the banks will care where you are in the world.
They do and will.

Your mortgage is based upon the fact of you living there. If you move out and let it to third parties, you have breached the terms of the mortgage. You must obtain permission from the mortgagee to rent the property out. Don't bury your head in the sand with this one; it will come back to bite you. So deal with it now. The interest may well be a little higher, but this is something mortgage companies are used to dealing with and they will work with you.

It is also relevant for insurance. You must take out different insurance as you are becoming a landlord and the tax authorities in your home country need to know your rental income. Use a local accountant and a competent letting/management agent, preferably one who is a member of a reputable regulatory authority - in the UK it is RICS.

Last edited by Espada III; 16th Nov 2018 at 12:45. Reason: OP not in the UK. Advice changed.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 15:32
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Permission from the bank to rent out my property? Oh bullshit it has nothing to do with them.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 15:37
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I think you need to read you mortgage agreement VERY carefully. You don’t want to upset your lender or life can get expensive and difficult quite quickly.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 16:29
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Permission from the bank to rent out my property? Oh bullshit it has nothing to do with them.
I had to get 'consent to lease' approval from my lender and it was an approval that was subject to periodic renewal. As BigGeordie said, it might be worth looking at this one in more detail, as it's not uncommon for approval to be required from your lender.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 21:14
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Guess your country is different from mine then.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 21:28
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Why not try a banking or accounting forum? We are only pilots!!
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Old 18th Nov 2018, 23:40
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Keep your property, but transfer it to your wife’s name so she will pay lower tax on the rent , ie remains a resident in home country for tax reasons , and have the rent paid directly into the mortgage, if your happy to leave the furniture you will make more rent and not have to pay storage . If you have proper insurance it doesn’t matter what anybody does to the house it can always be repaired or replaced , the value is always underlying .
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 02:14
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Have you thought that this Forum is mostly pilots, who have departed for foreign lands because of finances? So, get the real information and talk to a foreign tax specialist in your home country. The last surprise that you want is to return and find that you are eligible to pay full taxes because of poor exit tax planning.
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 08:31
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin View Post
Keep your property, but transfer it to your wife’s name
Ahahhahah great piece of advice!!
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 12:01
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Permission from the bank to rent out my property? Oh bullshit it has nothing to do with them.
In my case, the bank is a co-owner of my property, so it has everything to do with them.
The terms and conditions on my mortgage say that I require consent before I let it out.
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 15:41
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In most European countries you will find that you need to have permission from mortgage provider AND insurance company for renting out your property. So you will need an buy to let mortgage ( about 1.5% more interest) and a buy to let insurance ( 20% up). Or just rent out your place and wait till they burn it down and get zero from your insurance company. As always READ the fine print.
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 17:40
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post


Ahahhahah great piece of advice!!
Depends from which country you are. In my case renting out under my name was not possible because of tax issues. So I had to do it. 4 years later my marriage was history
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 18:55
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Certainly in the UK you should advise the mortgage company of your intentions and most likely they will agree and simply ask for Landlords building insurance and the tenancy is via an assured agreement through an agent. As noted, Buy to let loans often have a higher interest rate and lower loan to value, so they could ask for a chunk of money to align the loan with their products, chances are, for a short deployment they won't . If you just jump ship and put a tenant in, they could, quite legally, get the hump and say you are in breach of contract. It is quite tricky to get a mortgage in UK if your salary is paid abroad and not in GBP,. Best bet, play it straight. You cannot transfer the mortgage to your wife unless she earns enough to support the whole loan amount, and you cannot transfer a mortgaged property unless the mortgage provider agrees.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 10:01
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Does having a mortgage in the U.K., but residing the majority of the time abroad have any tax ramifications?
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 10:36
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Tonker - this is purely my understanding, based on my experience with HMRC and my Accountants over nearly 40 years as a UK expat with mortgages (now history, thank heavens!).

Most importantly, you need to seek Professional advice before making any decisions - expat tax is a minefield.
Here's my take on your question though. I don't believe the simple fact that you have a mortgage with a UK bank or Building Society on a UK property would affect your Resident/Non Resident status with HMRC. (It could potentially affect your status as Domilciled/Non Domiciled, but that is a much more complex issue). However, if your wife/kids continued to occupy the property in UK, and/or the property continued to be available for your occupation on visits to the UK (even a single room) then your tax status and liability could be affected. Secondly, if you rented out the property once you'd moved overseas, and kept the mortgage, as a landlord, you would not get tax relief for the mortgage interest which you pay - that was removed last year. I'm open to correction on any of the last paragraph - if anyone has any more definitive information, I'd be interested to hear it.
Finally - go to the HMRC website (hmrc.gov.uk), and look at the documents referring to "Residence/Non-Residence", and anything relating to the "Statutory Residence Tests". More effective than OM-A for those nights when you need to sleep before a flight, but very informative if you persevere! But as I said - get Professional advice!
Good luck,
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