No accidents/incidents letter GCAA

[Ninja chauffeur]

Hi every one,

There has already been a thread about it but it's maybe outdated a bit. Any one experienced the same problems getting a proper license verification letter from the GCAA? I've been sent from department to department, and emailed by them that they do not provide a no accidents/incidents statement any more on their license verifications.

Of course, most other CAA's need this exact statement. How do we get around this? Is it not their duty as ICAO member to issue you the correct paperwork and not hinder you to apply anywhere else?

Any one knows the right people who can help? Any ideas (using my home country license would be a very slow and expensive alternative) ? Any one with similar problems?

Thanks

[natops]

Any luck?

Anybody any luck getting the required paperwork to leave EK for China? Just chatting with Hainan recruitment again, and it seems they have tons of guys in file just waiting for the paperwork to be able to join.

Taken hostage 2.0

N.

[FlightDetent]

In hope to halve your suffering, neither the EASA NAAs would do it.

[harry the cod]

Whilst the GCAA and other authorities appear to be somewhat intransigent in their process, the problem is with the Chinese. They are the only regulators to require it.

Maybe when people stop applying, the Chinese authorities might be less anal in their joining requirements.

Harry

[parabellum]

If you are applying to an Asian/Chinese airline, not only are they very superstitious and would regard an accident prone person as 'bad joss' (luck etc.), would you cost them money?

https://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/bad+joss

[bringbackthe80s]

Originally Posted by wtsmg

What actually counts as an incident? Am I persona non grata because I, for example and hypothetically, exceeded vfe in unpredictable WS? Because another operator taxi'd into my wingtip? Because I took a seagull down number two and had an EFATO? Because I was PM on a firm landing that AOG'd the aircraft? etc etc

most likely yes

[The Shovel]

Originally Posted by wtsmg

Ridiculous.

Australian ATSB which issues Incident/Accident report in Aus, just gave me one with 2 Birdstrikes on it. That was enough to end my application with an airline.
And yes, the airline said that is the reason, Incident/Accident record needs to be clean.

Ridiculous is an understatment.

[Jack D]

Originally Posted by The Shovel

Australian ATSB which issues Incident/Accident report in Aus, just gave me one with 2 Birdstrikes on it. That was enough to end my application with an airline.
And yes, the airline said that is the reason, Incident/Accident record needs to be clean.

Ridiculous is an understatment.

Due respect but thisi is hard to believe .. ! ! If true I wotuld avoid any employer who feels a bird strike is enough to destroy your application !!

[Scooter Rassmussin]

There,s no room for Superstition or Religion in the cockpit , look at the crash records .

[joe falchetto 64]

Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin

There,s no room for Superstition or Religion in the cockpit , look at the crash records .

No, there isn’t . I am working for a chinese airline. Just two days ago I got a bird strike during the approach: reported it, filled in the SMS message, got the receipt and that was it; had a hard landing 2 months ago , (first one) while being PM, company asked for a meeting and Safety asked me why I didn’t take ove: I explained that the energy level was too low and the tailstrike could have been an issue, and company agreed on that . That was it: no penalty, no other annoying stuff.
Regarding the “License Verification Letter” that one has been asked to me by every airline I have applied for: it has to be issued by the local CAA, I.e. the CAA that has issued the license in EASAland. As I know , that isn’t a problem with any CAA in EASA. A different matter is the so- called security letter o safety letter (those are different meanings but often used for the same subject): it has to be issued by your last employer, with proper signature and stamp. Generally speaking , it relates to flight time , security issues or HR issues. Both letters report a brief statement regarding accidents or incidents. Just for information: many airlines in China accept the “security letter” released, stamped and signed by some pilot’s union that has reached an agreement with the local branch of CAAC.
Happy landings.
Joe.

[The Shovel]

Originally Posted by Jack D

Due respect but thisi is hard to believe .. ! ! If true I wotuld avoid any employer who feels a bird strike is enough to destroy your application !!

With no due respect. Yes, I posted on here and made the excuse up to hide the real reason I didn’t get employed.
One poster raised 2 questions.
What goes on an incident report, and are there consequences. I responded with a real life experience.
Thanks for the career advice.

[FlightDetent]

Originally Posted by harry the cod

the problem is with the Chinese. They are the only regulators to require it.

It was not the case for several people I know, coming from different places though. (CAAC North).

Similar to J.F's
- No Criminal Record
- Licence Verification
- Flight Hours / Experience Reference
- Security Guard Statement

The no accident/incident clause is embedded in the fourth document, though a decent FOM would put it in the third as well. Definitely not provided by the EASA CAA in the second - in my case (edit)

If really for UAE based pilots the CAAC asks for No Incident / Accident from the NAA, guess you might be stuck.

[Lcb86]

What about getting the type rating on a different license? Maybe FAA and applying with those docs? Or does it necessarily have to come from the last place you were flying?

[joe falchetto 64]

Originally Posted by FlightDetent

It was not the case for several people I know, coming from different places though. (CAAC North).

Similar to J.F's
- No Criminal Record
- Licence Verification
- Flight Hours / Experience Reference
- Security Guard Statement

The no accident/incident clause is embedded in the fourth document, though a decent FOM would put it in the third as well. Definitely not provided by the EASA CAA in the second.

If really for UAE based pilots the CAAC asks for No Incident / Accident from the NAA, guess you might be stuck.

You are right about the fourth and third documents , but my EASA CAA put the statement also in the second.

[The Shovel]

Not just the Chinese CAA requrie a No Accident/Incident report. I can name 2 European Carriers that require the same.

That aside, the irony of all this is that EMIRATES, yes Emirates require such a letter.

[FlightDetent]

T.S. agreed, everyone does. The experience different from what the UAE pilots share hereabove (and it is not the first thread), is that the no-I/A statement was embedded in the Security Guard Assesment which must come from your last employer, and that was sufficient. Last and this year, CAAC North/Beijing.

[FlightDetent]

Originally Posted by joe falchetto 64

- No Criminal Record
- Licence Verification
- Flight Hours / Experience Reference
- Security Guard Statement

You are right about the fourth and third documents, but my EASA CAA put the statement also in the second.

Thanks for correcting my statement then!

My no-A/I was provided by local EASA CAA twice before, but not in the last three years anymore. They explained what is understandable, that I could have and actually was flying different countries' AOCs, and they have no way of knowing how I conducted myself. Apologies for forcing my opinion this was a coordinated administrative decision.

I do not have a boarding pass for this region's forum anyway, just trying to show there may be a way which does not include their NAA.

Out of interest: If you (or fellows you know joining recently) did not get that statement on the CAA verification, but instead only on the airline issued Security Guard Assessment - would it be a no go in your opinion? (I suspect the answer is "you never know until you try, and then it matters who handles your appeal if denied the first filing).

[joe falchetto 64]

Originally Posted by FlightDetent

Thanks for correcting my statement then!

My no-A/I was provided by local EASA CAA twice before, but not in the last three years anymore. The explain what is understandable, that I could have and actually was flying different countries' AOCs, and they have no way of knowing how I conducted myself. Apologies for forcing my opinion this was a coordinated administrative decision.

I do not have a boarding pass for this region's forum anyway, just trying to show there may be a way which does not include their NAA.

Out of interest: If you (or fellows you know joining recently) did not get that statement on the CAA verification, but instead only on the airline issued Security Guard Assessment - would it be a no go in your opinion? (I suspect the answer is "you never know until you try, and then it matters who handles your appeal if denied the first filing).

i didn't join recently, I am at the second contract and I changed operator here. My opinion is that to have a smooth process just give them what they ask, nothing more nothing less: so give them a proper license verification letter without any statement about flight safety record , but provide also the document from your current operator stating the clean flight safety record . At the end it is just a matter to keep them happy with the proper required paper.

[Camelonglide]

Originally Posted by joe falchetto 64

i didn't join recently, I am at the second contract and I changed operator here. My opinion is that to have a smooth process just give them what they ask, nothing more nothing less: so give them a proper license verification letter without any statement about flight safety record , but provide also the document from your current operator stating the clean flight safety record . At the end it is just a matter to keep them happy with the proper required paper.

That is exactly what I did: verification letter from GCAA plus No Accident letter from operator/company.
According to the Chinese agency, CAAC requires the "No accident" embedded in the verification letter from the Authority (UAE GCAA).
Unable to proceed to the next stage of interview and pretty much an ... hostage here.

So new UAE (EK and FZ) joiners beware ... you can be stuck in the desert for longer than planned ...

[FlightDetent]

Have you verified that with a different agent, different airline, different CAAC region? I assume yes and also that you are using one of the good big ones who actually know their stuff and are able to communicate.