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Pprune blocked in the uae now?

Old 11th Sep 2018, 13:39
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Showing any sympathy towards Qatar means facing arrest and up to 15 years in jail. What a nice place to be....not. I would not work for Emirates or any of the surrounding airlines in the blockading countries even if they were the last airlines on the planet.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 15:54
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Have you done much research into this matter black pudding? Good news is the entry into EK is much easier than it was before.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 18:17
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
Have you done much research into this matter black pudding? Good news is the entry into EK is much easier than it was before.
Based on what I have read on here regarding EK over the last few years, I think I would rather work for Ryanair before I ever considered working for EK.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 01:55
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Originally Posted by Black Pudding View Post


Based on what I have read on here regarding EK over the last few years, I think I would rather work for Ryanair before I ever considered working for EK.
Smart Man!
Consider any other airline but EK. It will destroy your health, life and mental awareness. Is a widebody seat worth all that it destroys?
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 13:28
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Chatting the other day over an ale or two the main topic was exit plans or contingencies. Long gone are those who viewed this place as a career, its now more of a career stepping stone to top up the bank account, see a bit of the world, then head home much like the CC do.
I been asked numerous times if Id recommend EK to various people in different circumstances, the answer is always the same, unless of course you want to fly with an increasing number of pilots from 2nd and 3rd world territories who through no fault of their own have 2nd and 3rd world attitudes to safety, decision making, leadership and of course pay.
TCT hates PPRuNe, and he hates the fact that many know him from Easy and City, but the message of EKs continued decline into a mickymouse outfit will be continued to be spoken about on here.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 09:20
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Couldn’t access this site from my hotel - works fine in the EK Lounge of all places!
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 10:33
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It really is very very sad how the entire culture has changed at EK over the last few years.
Walking into the briefing room now, and directly after the greeting and handshake, comes the inevitable: “So, how long do you have left?” Or the: “What outfit are you off to?” Or the: “I’m Counting down the days, hours, and minutes till leaving EK!”

One would think that in the present climate of a world wide pilot shortage, EK management would be trying everything in its power to incentivize and appreciate its overworked pilots, but instead, just the opposite happens? When will “They” wake up? What will it take? Perhaps they will finally realize one dusty morning - after their brown Costa stained eyeglasses are wiped clean, and staring out onto the flightline, that the aircraft are all out on the gates, sitting in a half inch of sand.....with no one sitting in the pointy end.

So Anyways,.......What outfit are you off to join?
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 14:21
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Originally Posted by sanddune 1 View Post
It really is very very sad how the entire culture has changed at EK over the last few years.
Walking into the briefing room now, and directly after the greeting and handshake, comes the inevitable: “So, how long do you have left?” Or the: “What outfit are you off to?” Or the: “I’m Counting down the days, hours, and minutes till leaving EK!”

One would think that in the present climate of a world wide pilot shortage, EK management would be trying everything in its power to incentivize and appreciate its overworked pilots, but instead, just the opposite happens? When will “They” wake up? What will it take? Perhaps they will finally realize one dusty morning - after their brown Costa stained eyeglasses are wiped clean, and staring out onto the flightline, that the aircraft are all out on the gates, sitting in a half inch of sand.....with no one sitting in the pointy end.

So Anyways,.......What outfit are you off to join?
Playing the devil's advocate even if I hate it:
....why they need to wake up? They are fully awake, in their mind at least;
....why they need to provide incentives? Numbers are ok. Sorry, I could not find any other word to explain how pilots are presented in the slides briefing at the management level;
...why they are behaving like this? Very simple. It is like a secret Rosetta stone. When you have discovered the secrets behind it all the rest make sense.
The most very well known secret is "Emiratization", having nothing against it. A country that tries to protect its own people in its own way. Forget for a moment if you agree or not how they do that. How many countries act in the same way? I don't know many frankly.
Have that word in mind every time you have a question about EK behavior and all the rest make sense.
In year 2015, 2,400+ cadets pilots were promised to join EK by 2023. it is an average of 300+ a year regardless that the reality might be different.
All the slides numbers are based on that, so no worries on pilots leaving. End of the story and it is the really the end of it.
No salary increase? Does it really matter to the 300+ new joiner a year seen all the circumstances of their average family money power? No
No profit share or very low profit share? See above
Any other question that upsets you in EK? See above.
Having that small secret word in mind + the 300 new local joiners a year in the slides and everything of everything of everything make sense...in the slides at least.
End of the devil's advocate role.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 15:32
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Originally Posted by Lynx8 View Post
Playing the devil's advocate even if I hate it:
....why they need to wake up? They are fully awake, in their mind at least;
....why they need to provide incentives? Numbers are ok. Sorry, I could not find any other word to explain how pilots are presented in the slides briefing at the management level;
...why they are behaving like this? Very simple. It is like a secret Rosetta stone. When you have discovered the secrets behind it all the rest make sense.
The most very well known secret is "Emiratization", having nothing against it. A country that tries to protect its own people in its own way. Forget for a moment if you agree or not how they do that. How many countries act in the same way? I don't know many frankly.
Have that word in mind every time you have a question about EK behavior and all the rest make sense.
In year 2015, 2,400+ cadets pilots were promised to join EK by 2023. it is an average of 300+ a year regardless that the reality might be different.
All the slides numbers are based on that, so no worries on pilots leaving. End of the story and it is the really the end of it.
No salary increase? Does it really matter to the 300+ new joiner a year seen all the circumstances of their average family money power? No
No profit share or very low profit share? See above
Any other question that upsets you in EK? See above.
Having that small secret word in mind + the 300 new local joiners a year in the slides and everything of everything of everything make sense...in the slides at least.
End of the devil's advocate role.
You would make a poor advocate.
Stay where and what you are, most probably very close to a certain Costa.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 22:37
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Sorry Lynx,
You can shout ”Emiratization” from the hilltops, but even the local “Emiratis” don’t like EK! Even the locals are looking to going elsewhere! They are complaining about exactly the same issues that the expats are complaining about! So I do not agree with your reasoning for the companies indifference towards our very apparent decline. I’m not saying it’s not an initiative they want, but it is one that will require many more years than you or I have left. Emirates, at least for the foreseeable future - will continue to be “English Managed, Indian Run, And Thousands of Expats Suffering”.
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 01:36
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...- will continue to be “English Managed, Indian Run, ...

Here’s the crux of the EK problems


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Old 15th Sep 2018, 11:46
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Hey go easy on LYNX, re-read the post. He is clearly not a shill for management, but is just illuminating the world as seen through their eyes. That's why they don't actually care about morale, or improving conditions. To them its all about the numbers. Things like morale, or "happiness" cannot be measured and directly correlated to the dollar-value to the business. All over the world (but particularly here) if it can't be measured, it doesn't exist. That truth, may be tough to swallow, but it is what LYNX is trying to point out. Once you absorb that, life becomes a little bit more understandable.
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 18:42
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Originally Posted by Neektu View Post
...- will continue to be “English Managed, Indian Run, ...

Here’s the crux of the EK problems


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nothing else to add, absolute fact.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 13:48
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I have had some time to think about this now and it really concerns me on several levels - none of which are good for either EK or DXB.

First, what does it say about the mentality and competence of the people behind the decision to try to ban PPRuNe in UAE when 99% of both the posters and the desired audience have regular and unfettered access from outside of the UAE?

But what really concerns me most is the blatant attempts to try to suppress the truth rather than fix the problems.

Bad. Very, very bad!
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 14:13
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Bananas old boy, lets call a spade a spade...or a bl00dy shovel if required.
The Arab mentality is to obstifucate, minimise or plain old just ignore anything that doesnt fit their infantile world view.
You only have to look at the bloated Mohammeds and Fatimas quaffing their sugar laden iced whatever to understand that their generation and their parents have no understanding of consequences, and if they do they choose to ignore them.
In the same way AAR and Mr Burns have 0 interest in anything other than enriching themselves financially or being seen as influencers with a seat at the table, the inconvenient people who are trod on along the way are meaningless.
If anything off message is percieved it is blocked or ignored, moreover anyone with the audacity to question or critique is summarily removed, in essence just like Mohammed and Fatima both AAR and Mr Burns choose to ignore the consequences of their actions.
The minions beneath these 2 stains on humanity are mere enablers and should be held to the same level of contempt.
The really funny thing is that almost everyone I speak too carries out their own daily personal protest of some description, all of this costs the company time and treasure, all thanks to the aforementioned individuals, they are effectively cutting their own throats.
In the grand scheme of things its a very simple equation, either endure or leave, it comes down to the individual.
PPRuNe being blocked is a laughable attempt by someone to disguise or ignore the truth, it merely perpetuates the stereotype that the average UAE national has neither the capacity for honesty nor the integrity, intelligence and maturity to learn from their mistakes.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 16:27
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A bit harsh there Monach. STC with his “no-one is leaving and the numbers were just messed up” trump versions of the truth, TCT with his wonderful I see and feed unicorns scribbles (which BTW is far improved from his hearty meatball scribbles at Sleazy), MM with his everything is awesome summations, DM with his adjusted pilot numbers required, are just a few that are far worse than these Arabs you rag . Those mentioned all know better. They supposedly were educated, and know what post medieval management and leadership is . Yet they sell their souls in a plethora of untruths to protect their money maker.
You are right though, the cost/damage to the business by these actions is enormous . But it will never be admitted. Just like shoddy roster publishing can't be admitted . Rather than being truthful and trying to improve, blame will be passed to some minion, or yet another excuse will be made and everyone will be expected to believe it .
The rise of the Tongan Pa'Anga will be blamed for all woes . And it was probably some lazy pilot on PPRuNe that caused it's rise .
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 05:53
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Perhaps Don you are right, a tad harsh and yet as I gaze out of my french doors onto the garden beyond, a tad harsh is a rather light sentence for all the complicit [email protected], they deserve far more.
What a shame this website is now blocked, no one will ever know...
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 08:27
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I know. The blocking of the site has certainly contained all bad press. A plan so cunning it could have been hatched by a dead fox .
Enjoy the time off.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 08:48
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It’s funny. The site seems to work fine at my place. 😀😀
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 11:39
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Blocked at home on Etisalat. Takes me 5 seconds to connect the VPN though!
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