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EK resignations on the up again...

Old 1st Sep 2018, 12:39
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Good evening. Just as a perspective from my new employer.. those that know me now know I drive trains for a living:

Today I started 3 weeks leave.. the dates I asked for were granted without question.. I have another 2 weeks of in March .. again granted at the times I requested .. and as we get 7 weeks leave a year .. I still have two weeks up my sleeve... I don’t earn the money I used to... but I love my job and have so much time off..
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 13:25
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
Good evening. Just as a perspective from my new employer.. those that know me now know I drive trains for a living:

Today I started 3 weeks leave.. the dates I asked for were granted without question.. I have another 2 weeks of in March .. again granted at the times I requested .. and as we get 7 weeks leave a year .. I still have two weeks up my sleeve... I don’t earn the money I used to... but I love my job and have so much time off..
Enjoy. You will see your quality of life improve and bonus if you even enjoy your job. It is a win-win.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 13:35
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Whats the word on the proposed 3 year secondment of easyJet pilots to EK? Not much in the way of detail available here but none of it makes any sense for easyjet at all?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 01:49
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None of it makes sense to us at EK. A three year secondment when a five year bond is being peddled to everyone that joins?

Unless EK management expect those that join to stay and even that is a tough call, since I am led to believe that easyJet will 'protect' their place at their existing easyJet base, so that they can simply 'slot' in back to the orange operation.

The more appealing it is made to join EK, it in turn is made more appealing to jump back to easyJet after their soiree in the Gulf.

5/4 at easyJet versus 11 days between two days off (on the 777). It's a no brainer as far as I am concerned! Whilst it is unlikely most from easyJet would joining the 777, their rosters will still not be as bad as your average 380 roster. If any of my 380 colleagues wish to dispute that, then how many have had 3 blocks of 4 days off in a row in August 18? Some will but not many I suspect?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 02:05
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Just as a perspective from my new employer, I have 52 weeks a year off, all at the dates I requested. Unfortunately I can't get any more days off than that but c'est la vie once you leave EK. I do love my job, however.

Pointless post? Yes, but there are others.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 07:00
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Yeah it’s not making much sense at the Orange end either. It’s for the 380 only I understand, also secondment maybe the wrong description as one of the very few details Easyjet has released so far is that you would have to resign from Easyjet and be issued with a new contract that starts in exactly 3 years. This one detail seems to be the major blocker to most orange guys as going to the desert placing all trust on an Easyjet promise that is dated 3 years in the future is a leap of faith too far.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 07:02
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PS Ryanair have 5/4, Easyjet is 5354 or FRV if your either nuts or an SO or FO. SFO and Captain has the fixed pattern. In the U.K. anyway.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 07:12
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Aviation Daily quoting STC

The temporary pilot shortage was “internally driven” and is largely overcome, he said. “We tried to be oversmart about what we needed when.” Part of the issue is transitioning pilots from the Airbus A330 and A340 fleets that have been retired. Clark denied that a larger than usual number of pilots have left Emirates of late. “People are not leaving,” he said. Emirates has seen some relief as Abu Dhabi-based rival Etihad Airways has retrenched and some pilots moved to Emirates.

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Old 11th Sep 2018, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Beedo View Post
as of the turbo prop guys joining right now, but i think its a good chance for thise guys to prove that they are good enough to be on the wide body seat.
OMG...........................
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 09:01
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your not supposed to mention the unmentionable !! On these forums...or is it open forum!
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 09:05
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Originally Posted by ezydriver View Post
Yeah it’s not making much sense at the Orange end either. It’s for the 380 only I understand, also secondment maybe the wrong description as one of the very few details Easyjet has released so far is that you would have to resign from Easyjet and be issued with a new contract that starts in exactly 3 years. This one detail seems to be the major blocker to most orange guys as going to the desert placing all trust on an Easyjet promise that is dated 3 years in the future is a leap of faith too far.
And then one fails Emirates training and is without a permanent job for the next 2-3 years.. haha. Never ever accept such a contract! Only with retun options! The agreed opinion between my friends, me and many other colleagues is: if you are one day unlucky with your performance, unlucky with the trainers and management decision: anyone can fail here! I just heard about one guy who had a perfect training record until he failed basetraining on the A380. Fired. Thats Emirates! Between what they say "to create a positive training environment" and what they really do is at least in many trainee's heads a certain amount of "cognitive dissonance".

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Old 11th Sep 2018, 09:58
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Just for balance, I know many people at EK and NO ONE was ever failed or terminated in the 8 years they have been there. Quite the opposite, all of them are captains now.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 10:11
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Please ask your friends what they think about the training. To pass a tranining or to join a fearless training environment where you can walk out with real confidence is a big difference. Especially when you had experienced this in your previous companies. Maybe EK is not the worst but maybe they got stuck in an old fashioned way and are behind the industry standard nowadays.

I do not say they fire a lot and usually if the do there were reasons but it's not so uncommon as one would think. There is a certain amount of people who fail their initial training. We are talking about experienced pilots who had been in the job for many years and passed the assessment.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Dirigible View Post
Aviation Daily quoting STC

The temporary pilot shortage was “internally driven” and is largely overcome, he said. “We tried to be oversmart about what we needed when.” Part of the issue is transitioning pilots from the Airbus A330 and A340 fleets that have been retired. Clark denied that a larger than usual number of pilots have left Emirates of late. “People are not leaving,” he said. Emirates has seen some relief as Abu Dhabi-based rival Etihad Airways has retrenched and some pilots moved to Emirates.

Well if STC says it, it must be true!!!
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 19:15
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
Just for balance, I know many people at EK and NO ONE was ever failed or terminated in the 8 years they have been there. Quite the opposite, all of them are captains now.
I now at least one colleague personally (Captain), who failed his Sim recently, was offered a position back into the right seat.

Strictly speaking - NOT fired - but is this option any better?!

He left eventually....

BTW... He was here for more than 8 years...

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Old 12th Sep 2018, 08:17
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This happens in any company
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 10:20
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
This happens in any company
I'd suggest you having a chat with our colleagues from AF,LH,KL,BA...

MS
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 11:22
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Happened with my last company in Oz. Could think of two captains that were demoted to FOs. Failed a sim, but past history of those particular individuals showed consistent fails or passes by the skins of their teeth.

With union protection and all...

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Old 12th Sep 2018, 11:59
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Originally Posted by my salami View Post


I'd suggest you having a chat with our colleagues from AF,LH,KL,BA...

MS
I can name at least 3 colleagues who have left KL due to their performance in both the sim as in the cockpit. And these are those who I personally met, there are more.

It does happen in every airline.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:03
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
This happens in any company
Of course it happens every now and then in other companies as well.

But you are giving the impression that this doesn’t happen within EK and as we all know, this is not true, as simple as that.

Looks like a „slightly“ distorted perception to me.
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