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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 08:02
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PS Ryanair have 5/4, Easyjet is 5354 or FRV if your either nuts or an SO or FO. SFO and Captain has the fixed pattern. In the U.K. anyway.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 08:12
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Aviation Daily quoting STC

The temporary pilot shortage was “internally driven” and is largely overcome, he said. “We tried to be oversmart about what we needed when.” Part of the issue is transitioning pilots from the Airbus A330 and A340 fleets that have been retired. Clark denied that a larger than usual number of pilots have left Emirates of late. “People are not leaving,” he said. Emirates has seen some relief as Abu Dhabi-based rival Etihad Airways has retrenched and some pilots moved to Emirates.

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Old 11th Sep 2018, 09:33
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as of the turbo prop guys joining right now, but i think its a good chance for thise guys to prove that they are good enough to be on the wide body seat.
OMG...........................
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 10:01
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your not supposed to mention the unmentionable !! On these forums...or is it open forum!
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 10:05
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Originally Posted by ezydriver View Post
Yeah it’s not making much sense at the Orange end either. It’s for the 380 only I understand, also secondment maybe the wrong description as one of the very few details Easyjet has released so far is that you would have to resign from Easyjet and be issued with a new contract that starts in exactly 3 years. This one detail seems to be the major blocker to most orange guys as going to the desert placing all trust on an Easyjet promise that is dated 3 years in the future is a leap of faith too far.
And then one fails Emirates training and is without a permanent job for the next 2-3 years.. haha. Never ever accept such a contract! Only with retun options! The agreed opinion between my friends, me and many other colleagues is: if you are one day unlucky with your performance, unlucky with the trainers and management decision: anyone can fail here! I just heard about one guy who had a perfect training record until he failed basetraining on the A380. Fired. Thats Emirates! Between what they say "to create a positive training environment" and what they really do is at least in many trainee's heads a certain amount of "cognitive dissonance".

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Old 11th Sep 2018, 10:58
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Just for balance, I know many people at EK and NO ONE was ever failed or terminated in the 8 years they have been there. Quite the opposite, all of them are captains now.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 11:11
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Please ask your friends what they think about the training. To pass a tranining or to join a fearless training environment where you can walk out with real confidence is a big difference. Especially when you had experienced this in your previous companies. Maybe EK is not the worst but maybe they got stuck in an old fashioned way and are behind the industry standard nowadays.

I do not say they fire a lot and usually if the do there were reasons but it's not so uncommon as one would think. There is a certain amount of people who fail their initial training. We are talking about experienced pilots who had been in the job for many years and passed the assessment.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 11:35
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Originally Posted by Dirigible View Post
Aviation Daily quoting STC

The temporary pilot shortage was “internally driven” and is largely overcome, he said. “We tried to be oversmart about what we needed when.” Part of the issue is transitioning pilots from the Airbus A330 and A340 fleets that have been retired. Clark denied that a larger than usual number of pilots have left Emirates of late. “People are not leaving,” he said. Emirates has seen some relief as Abu Dhabi-based rival Etihad Airways has retrenched and some pilots moved to Emirates.

Well if STC says it, it must be true!!!
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 20:15
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
Just for balance, I know many people at EK and NO ONE was ever failed or terminated in the 8 years they have been there. Quite the opposite, all of them are captains now.
I now at least one colleague personally (Captain), who failed his Sim recently, was offered a position back into the right seat.

Strictly speaking - NOT fired - but is this option any better?!

He left eventually....

BTW... He was here for more than 8 years...

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Old 12th Sep 2018, 09:17
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This happens in any company
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 11:20
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
This happens in any company
I'd suggest you having a chat with our colleagues from AF,LH,KL,BA...

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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:22
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Happened with my last company in Oz. Could think of two captains that were demoted to FOs. Failed a sim, but past history of those particular individuals showed consistent fails or passes by the skins of their teeth.

With union protection and all...

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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:59
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Originally Posted by my salami View Post


I'd suggest you having a chat with our colleagues from AF,LH,KL,BA...

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I can name at least 3 colleagues who have left KL due to their performance in both the sim as in the cockpit. And these are those who I personally met, there are more.

It does happen in every airline.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 13:03
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
This happens in any company
Of course it happens every now and then in other companies as well.

But you are giving the impression that this doesn’t happen within EK and as we all know, this is not true, as simple as that.

Looks like a „slightly“ distorted perception to me.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 17:26
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I am sure that there are bad eggs in every airline, however, here, one can have an excellent record in every regard for years and then one day, a single, less-than-great performance in a simulator can be very damaging to career progression. There does appear to be a sweeping trend at the present time of written warnings, demotions and sackings that wouldn't carry weight in the civilised world. It is very much testing now, training later. There are a multitude of scandalous disciplinaries that are irrelevant to performance and attitude also. This company are not taking their share of responsibility or accountability whatsoever. To be clear, i am not criticising trainers in this post. I am stating that the management attitude and company responses are not conducive to a safe or progressive airline.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 14:13
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That is what I am thinking having a Master degree in psychology. They just put a coat of “moderness” on the old structures. But in the end nothing has changed! If there is imminent pressure on individuals to perform it is contra productive to the outcome. Pressure increases performance only to a certain degree depending a bit as well on the so called personal traits. One can be very smart and has got fantastic abilities but within the “wrong” environment such a person cannot “deliver” or grow. The goal of training should be - if this person fits into the company selectional pattern (what they obviously did!) - that this person is trainable with the right methods, trainers and training program. That’s a growth structure which establish growth mindsets! In my personal opinion and from a professional perspective as well punishing somebody by degrading or terminating is the worst thing you can do as company. Imagine .. somebody got a bad phase and you help this individual with mercy, kindness, by leading the individual to overcome the problem. Tha is the difference between being a boss or a real leader.. what would it be like ? This person would be in most cases be more than happy, dedicates and loyal to the company. But maybe the company is just looking for mercenaries. Or maybe some Aussies who think being a Cpt at EK is a big thing .. sorry Aussies for that ! u know which guys I am talking about !
Sorry for mistakes .. just typing on my phone.

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Old 19th Sep 2018, 15:43
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Originally Posted by ClassCbird View Post
I am sure that there are bad eggs in every airline, however, here, one can have an excellent record in every regard for years and then one day, a single, less-than-great performance in a simulator can be very damaging to career progression. There does appear to be a sweeping trend at the present time of written warnings, demotions and sackings that wouldn't carry weight in the civilised world. It is very much testing now, training later. There are a multitude of scandalous disciplinaries that are irrelevant to performance and attitude also. This company are not taking their share of responsibility or accountability whatsoever. To be clear, i am not criticising trainers in this post. I am stating that the management attitude and company responses are not conducive to a safe or progressive airline.
Shiny-jet-syndrome people still flocking to go to EK, pay attention. Toxic.

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Old 9th Oct 2018, 01:10
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Does the increase in pilots leaving EK surprise anyone? Who is going to stay at this dump with so many better options available? It’s not like we can’t more money and work less hours in a civilized country.

what are are those options ?
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 06:05
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what are are those options ?

How far is your head in the sand? Are you really that blind?
The US is hiring like crazy and if you don’t have a US Passport get a Green Card immediately. The State Dept are handing them out like candy. The last thing the government wants is parked airplanes.
China is paying $27,000 a month and needs twice as many pilots as the US does.
Korean Ethiopian and Turkey are still expanding but get to the US now. You’ll be a captain in under 3 yrs and be making close to $300,000 with all the extras. It goes without saying you’ll work far less than you will in the sand.
Are you really unaware of your options Flyboy? I hope you’re aware of your options when you are crossing the Atlantic and I hope you are not in denial about how good things are here. Look at your options and get out.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 09:12
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Ethiopian and Turkey
mmm Turkey? Really? With a salary that went down about 25% last month on the Lira exchange?
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