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EK resignations on the up again...

Old 25th Aug 2018, 19:26
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Originally Posted by Joker11 View Post
Every colleague I speak to at EK tells me the same thing and also often the reason why they can't leave. So yes what you read here is pretty accurate to real situation out there.
No one is Stuck here! Pilots choose to stay here and put up with all that EK offers both good and very bad.
One might say I'm Stuck here but my kids are almost done with school and with greener pastures out there I will probably leave as I would have nearly 20 yrs.
It was good earlier on but `I don't think anyone can say EK is a good airline now, not in anyway. Combine with who we are hiring and our fatigue levels we are an accident just waiting to happen and I don't want any part of this airline.
£20,000 a month is not even worth it anymore.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 05:15
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Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS View Post


Agreed. Unfortunately, the expensive prices apply to most everyday items too.

It's not a competition and we do see high prices around the world but Dubai does seem to kick it to the next level in my opinion - on all goods, luxury to basic needs. There is no escape from the high cost of living here unless you are prepared to live frugally - which defeats one of the purposes of becoming an expat for most people.

Potential new joiners really need to factor these costs in and not simply convert Dubai salary to their current currency and think they will become rich quickly.

It all depends where you live and to which supermarkets you go. Sometimes one item got a crazy price at Spinneys Downtown but at the next supermarket f.e. itís less. If you order your food online bis InstaShop f.e. you ll get most of the times better prices than if you go by yourself, but it depends on the area you live and which supermarket you can trust to deliver good things.

My living costs are higher than before yes. Are they so much higher: no. Just Food and daily needed goods we spend round about 30% more than before a month. But thatís bearable.

If you go out: there are cheap restaurants with good food, there are expensive maybe more stylish places in s nice environment with good food. So it depends on your choice. But yes you can waste money easily .

The party bill which was posted above is no fake and thatís what you pay for in some clubs here in the VIP section where girls come easy...
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 08:31
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Can anyone tell me what, if any, death in service benefits EK gives it pilots?

thanks
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 09:12
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If you die you get two days off.
Three if next duty is an LRV.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 10:08
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Originally Posted by ezydriver View Post
Can anyone tell me what, if any, death in service benefits EK gives it pilots?

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The Death In Service benefit - is 48 mos basic salary.

the loss of license Co. insurance is;

Basic salary
Yrs old:
Up to 62 > 36 mos
62- 63 > 24 mos
63- 64. >12 mos
64+ nil
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 10:11
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The day off policy when you die is a great improvement. You use to be marked absent and have your pay reduced at the daily rate. See not everything is bad here.
You will of course still get the warning letter from fleet . But that is to be expected.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 10:18
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
The day off policy when you die is a great improvement. You use to be marked absent and have your pay reduced at the daily rate. See not everything is bad here.
You will of course still get the warning letter from fleet . But that is to be expected.
True but if you can provide fleet with your original stamped copy of your death certificate, they wave the warning letter...

MS
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 10:42
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I forgot about that MS . Do they make the rest of your death month roster Can use in that case?
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 15:21
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I know of one case at least where the pilot died on the 6th day of the month but the family was asked if his corpse could be used for the remainder of the month as an augmenting pilot. Adel had heard from Tim that "those lazy pilots don't do anything anyway". A culture with a strong bent towards literalism will have these kind of consequences from time to time.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 18:38
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Is he the same one they roll out every now and then as contract TRE on the 777 Drop? Those airline meals really do help with preservation . He was up for a SVP job in Fleet I believe, but some fella from a Euro loco said he would do it for less money.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 23:30
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Itís just getting worse.

Originally Posted by Rainman7 View Post
Very little job satisfaction, and zero work/life balance, is what Ek comes down too. Ek is trying to be a first world airline with third world mentality/management. If work is all you want to do, then its the place for you. Rosters are non existent, pay & conditions are below standard compared to first world/top airlines, toxic hostile work enviornment, factory housing, treated with very little respect etc. looking forward to leaving as well, its been an eye opener for sure.
i agree 100%. Weíre only here to serve the company. They see us as nothing better than people to serve their purpose for a limited time. After that we must leave.

On principle thereís nothing wrong with that. However, if youíre looking for a little respect, loyalty or even a jot of assistance/support/security/help in any capacity, then forget it.

Come here if youíre desperate. It used to be the airline of choice; now itís the airline of desperation.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 03:15
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Originally Posted by Adam Barfy View Post


Iím afraid youre suffering from shiny jet syndrome. Come on over. Bring the family. We all know youre going to anyway, regardless of what we say.

EK is abit like a ladyboy. Attractive from afar, but those in the know keep telling you its a bloke.
Still, it looks........

But it is a bloke. And itís not so much fun when you find out you married it for 5 years.

Iíll get me coat.
Nothing wrong with a bit of ladyboy action now and again though!
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 17:46
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding View Post


....typed from the comfort of your own home in your home country, living in freedom?

Plenty of of reasons why guys canít ďjust leaveĒ. 5 year training bonds, plus another 2 years if you stick around for that. Any outstanding personal debt is also a big trap unless you do a runner, kids in school mid-term, not being able to return to your home country mid-tax year or else face a big tax bill, and probably the easiest bit in the current market - finding a job back home.

As as you can see itís not a matter of if, but when. Something you will hopefully appreciate with a few years under your belt in the sandpit as an expat.

Yep, when they get their fangs deep into you, its tougher to leave and easier to be abused.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 08:01
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding View Post


....typed from the comfort of your own home in your home country, living in freedom?

Plenty of of reasons why guys canít ďjust leaveĒ. 5 year training bonds, plus another 2 years if you stick around for that. Any outstanding personal debt is also a big trap unless you do a runner, kids in school mid-term, not being able to return to your home country mid-tax year or else face a big tax bill, and probably the easiest bit in the current market - finding a job back home.

As as you can see itís not a matter of if, but when. Something you will hopefully appreciate with a few years under your belt in the sandpit as an expat.


After 3 years the end of service benefit is equal to the oustanding bond. Lose nothing gain you sanity back.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 13:39
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Good evening. Just as a perspective from my new employer.. those that know me now know I drive trains for a living:

Today I started 3 weeks leave.. the dates I asked for were granted without question.. I have another 2 weeks of in March .. again granted at the times I requested .. and as we get 7 weeks leave a year .. I still have two weeks up my sleeve... I donít earn the money I used to... but I love my job and have so much time off..
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 14:25
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
Good evening. Just as a perspective from my new employer.. those that know me now know I drive trains for a living:

Today I started 3 weeks leave.. the dates I asked for were granted without question.. I have another 2 weeks of in March .. again granted at the times I requested .. and as we get 7 weeks leave a year .. I still have two weeks up my sleeve... I donít earn the money I used to... but I love my job and have so much time off..
Enjoy. You will see your quality of life improve and bonus if you even enjoy your job. It is a win-win.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 14:35
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Whats the word on the proposed 3 year secondment of easyJet pilots to EK? Not much in the way of detail available here but none of it makes any sense for easyjet at all?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 02:49
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None of it makes sense to us at EK. A three year secondment when a five year bond is being peddled to everyone that joins?

Unless EK management expect those that join to stay and even that is a tough call, since I am led to believe that easyJet will 'protect' their place at their existing easyJet base, so that they can simply 'slot' in back to the orange operation.

The more appealing it is made to join EK, it in turn is made more appealing to jump back to easyJet after their soiree in the Gulf.

5/4 at easyJet versus 11 days between two days off (on the 777). It's a no brainer as far as I am concerned! Whilst it is unlikely most from easyJet would joining the 777, their rosters will still not be as bad as your average 380 roster. If any of my 380 colleagues wish to dispute that, then how many have had 3 blocks of 4 days off in a row in August 18? Some will but not many I suspect?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 03:05
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Just as a perspective from my new employer, I have 52 weeks a year off, all at the dates I requested. Unfortunately I can't get any more days off than that but c'est la vie once you leave EK. I do love my job, however.

Pointless post? Yes, but there are others.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 08:00
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Yeah itís not making much sense at the Orange end either. Itís for the 380 only I understand, also secondment maybe the wrong description as one of the very few details Easyjet has released so far is that you would have to resign from Easyjet and be issued with a new contract that starts in exactly 3 years. This one detail seems to be the major blocker to most orange guys as going to the desert placing all trust on an Easyjet promise that is dated 3 years in the future is a leap of faith too far.
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