JULY 2018 ROSTERS
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Get out of that place. It's not worth it! The money is to no use when you're exhausted before retirement and have no joy of life left because of the years & years running at max capacity (and more) at EK. Now, I'm not a pilot at EK but know several who are down in the Sand Pit, and just hearing what is happening at EK is frightening. It's just getting worse and worse and it doesn't look to bright in the near future either. It's a shame they've run the company down this road too.
Get out of there, spend time with your family and friends, enjoy life. Do the little things you never had time to do while living in Dubai. Enjoy that morning coffee more often, have a quiet dinner more often. We don't live forever, the money at EK is not that important. You'll regret not leaving now in a few years when you realize your kid is 3 years older and you barely noticed what happend in between those years. I really encourage all of you who feel like s**t, constantly being treated as s**t and not living the life you dreamed of, to leave Dubai and seek new adventures which will bring more value to your lives.
We don't live forever, so make the most of it while you can. Don't get stuck where you're not happy. Ever. Best of luck to you all!!
Get out of there, spend time with your family and friends, enjoy life. Do the little things you never had time to do while living in Dubai. Enjoy that morning coffee more often, have a quiet dinner more often. We don't live forever, the money at EK is not that important. You'll regret not leaving now in a few years when you realize your kid is 3 years older and you barely noticed what happend in between those years. I really encourage all of you who feel like s**t, constantly being treated as s**t and not living the life you dreamed of, to leave Dubai and seek new adventures which will bring more value to your lives.
We don't live forever, so make the most of it while you can. Don't get stuck where you're not happy. Ever. Best of luck to you all!!
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Get out of that place. It's not worth it! The money is to no use when you're exhausted before retirement and have no joy of life left because of the years & years running at max capacity (and more) at EK. Now, I'm not a pilot at EK but know several who are down in the Sand Pit, and just hearing what is happening at EK is frightening. It's just getting worse and worse and it doesn't look to bright in the near future either. It's a shame they've run the company down this road too.
Get out of there, spend time with your family and friends, enjoy life. Do the little things you never had time to do while living in Dubai. Enjoy that morning coffee more often, have a quiet dinner more often. We don't live forever, the money at EK is not that important. You'll regret not leaving now in a few years when you realize your kid is 3 years older and you barely noticed what happend in between those years. I really encourage all of you who feel like s**t, constantly being treated as s**t and not living the life you dreamed of, to leave Dubai and seek new adventures which will bring more value to your lives.
We don't live forever, so make the most of it while you can. Don't get stuck where you're not happy. Ever. Best of luck to you all!!
Get out of there, spend time with your family and friends, enjoy life. Do the little things you never had time to do while living in Dubai. Enjoy that morning coffee more often, have a quiet dinner more often. We don't live forever, the money at EK is not that important. You'll regret not leaving now in a few years when you realize your kid is 3 years older and you barely noticed what happend in between those years. I really encourage all of you who feel like s**t, constantly being treated as s**t and not living the life you dreamed of, to leave Dubai and seek new adventures which will bring more value to your lives.
We don't live forever, so make the most of it while you can. Don't get stuck where you're not happy. Ever. Best of luck to you all!!
Very well written.
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Certainly Outlaw. But ......
(Extract from OMA):
Flight duty is prohibited when a crew member’s capacity for work is reduced because of illness or general physical condition. Decrease of fitness includes the effects of disease, injury, alcohol, drugs, fatigue, etc.
In case of inquiry (inquisition) simply refer to the above
(Extract from the OMA):
Decrease of fitness under the influence of mental stress may also occur. It is the responsibility of the crew member to decide whether or not he is fit for flight duty in such circumstances.
In case of harassment as you described, refer to the above
We need balls to point at the legal defences that are available. Just pressing 2 is not what i meant. Calling in sick or fatigued (better) must be accompanied by valid arguments.
Imagine making a mistake under fatigue or stress, it will not hold as a defence, they'll be all over you with above articles if you invoke fatigue or mental company stress.
Look after yourself guys.
(Extract from OMA):
Flight duty is prohibited when a crew member’s capacity for work is reduced because of illness or general physical condition. Decrease of fitness includes the effects of disease, injury, alcohol, drugs, fatigue, etc.
In case of inquiry (inquisition) simply refer to the above
(Extract from the OMA):
Decrease of fitness under the influence of mental stress may also occur. It is the responsibility of the crew member to decide whether or not he is fit for flight duty in such circumstances.
In case of harassment as you described, refer to the above
We need balls to point at the legal defences that are available. Just pressing 2 is not what i meant. Calling in sick or fatigued (better) must be accompanied by valid arguments.
Imagine making a mistake under fatigue or stress, it will not hold as a defence, they'll be all over you with above articles if you invoke fatigue or mental company stress.
Look after yourself guys.
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And file an ASR if your roster/pattern causes fatigue. Write to TCT and provide your roster and your bid receipt if you think the manual insertion brigade have been at work. We need everyone to provide the evidence that the system doesn't work
Without lots of data nothing is going to change.
Without lots of data nothing is going to change.
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Its been done by many and on numerous occasions. The reply? "The roster is legal".
”Thank you xxxxx for your considered response, as you state the roster is indeed “legal” on the basis of your narrow interpretation. As I’m sure you are well aware fatigue issues are specific to individuals and manifest themselves in a variety of well understood symptoms, moreover, the basis for the current approved FTL scheme is based on generic data with no provision or consideration given to events or circumstances beyond being able to achieve optimal amounts of rest before and after a duty period.
Fortunately as part of the approved FTL scheme the provision exists for the individual who feels unfit for duty to utilise the fatigue provision as appropriate.
Thank you once again for your response, I am anticipating that the 4 days of rest recommended by my AME will be sufficient to allow me to recover from the roster as flown and published.
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To which my reply has been.
”Thank you xxxxx for your considered response, as you state the roster is indeed “legal” on the basis of your narrow interpretation. As I’m sure you are well aware fatigue issues are specific to individuals and manifest themselves in a variety of well understood symptoms, moreover, the basis for the current approved FTL scheme is based on generic data with no provision or consideration given to events or circumstances beyond being able to achieve optimal amounts of rest before and after a duty period.
Fortunately as part of the approved FTL scheme the provision exists for the individual who feels unfit for duty to utilise the fatigue provision as appropriate.
Thank you once again for your response, I am anticipating that the 4 days of rest recommended by my AME will be sufficient to allow me to recover from the roster as flown and published.
To my understanding non of the bio-mathematical sleep predictive models can handle cumulative fatigue (some not at all) so on paper you're comments are solid. I suspect also there is a lack of data specific to EK Operations which any proper FRMS would need.
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To my understanding non of the bio-mathematical sleep predictive models can handle cumulative fatigue (some not at all) so on paper you're comments are solid. I suspect also there is a lack of data specific to EK Operations which any proper FRMS would need.
To my understanding non of the bio-mathematical sleep predictive models can handle cumulative fatigue (some not at all) so on paper you're comments are solid. I suspect also there is a lack of data specific to EK Operations which any proper FRMS would need.
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The only way to have the rosters change is reporting fatigued guys and girls.
Once a percentage of fatigue reports are received, normally around 20% the company through the FRMS system have to make changes to that duty or pairing.
If you’re sceptical about reporting fatigued because you’ve listened to the bulls**t rumours about being dragged in by management, enjoy your 100+ rosters till you leave EK.
Once a percentage of fatigue reports are received, normally around 20% the company through the FRMS system have to make changes to that duty or pairing.
If you’re sceptical about reporting fatigued because you’ve listened to the bulls**t rumours about being dragged in by management, enjoy your 100+ rosters till you leave EK.
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July is looking pretty sweet. 16 days off, 81 hrs in mostly long day flights, 2 stby days and a block of almost 6 consecutive days off. Max hours, no leave. Not bad!
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The only way to have the rosters change is reporting fatigued guys and girls.
Once a percentage of fatigue reports are received, normally around 20% the company through the FRMS system have to make changes to that duty or pairing.
If you’re sceptical about reporting fatigued because you’ve listened to the bulls**t rumours about being dragged in by management, enjoy your 100+ rosters till you leave EK.
Once a percentage of fatigue reports are received, normally around 20% the company through the FRMS system have to make changes to that duty or pairing.
If you’re sceptical about reporting fatigued because you’ve listened to the bulls**t rumours about being dragged in by management, enjoy your 100+ rosters till you leave EK.
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SOPS are you still driving trains? There's some guy ex-airlines (airbus, no doubt, one of those euro types!) now driving the Glacier Express in Schweitzerland. you've started a trend!
short flights long nights
Sure am!!! Would love to have a drive of the Glacier Express!!!!
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Oh, wait a minute HE, we both work on the other side of the runways......😉
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Correct! 😁👍🏼 It's not an EK specific thread so why not share the love...😉
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What's wrong with that? No airline is perfect and neither is flydubai. Each to their own and if it works for you then good on you. I'm not complaining about flydubai is all I'm saying. And that's as an PIC.
And yes, I did think about joining EK but I've been following the EK thread(s) for a loooong time now, and talking to friends over there it's put me of for life. Just my personal choice. Plus it's actually quite allright without fatigue and sleeping in my own bed every day. Yes I make less money and have less perks or end of service benefits. C'est la vie.
And yes, I did think about joining EK but I've been following the EK thread(s) for a loooong time now, and talking to friends over there it's put me of for life. Just my personal choice. Plus it's actually quite allright without fatigue and sleeping in my own bed every day. Yes I make less money and have less perks or end of service benefits. C'est la vie.
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67 hours + 10 Sim Hours, 13 days OFF, 1 STBY, home everyday.... Living the dream.
