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Old 3rd May 2018, 02:54
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Originally Posted by RK Blue sky

Delta! Plus many other airlines. Pull your head out and realize there’s a much better world outside the Middle East. Where do you think all of EK pilots are leaving for? Not all the escapees are driving trains.
Wasn't delta kicking pilots out on the streets a while back? Hasn't happened with SOPs lot. He might be onto something.
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Old 3rd May 2018, 03:41
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They are desperate for train drivers here. 4 courses planned this year! As I retirement job, I can totally recommend it!!
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
Wasn't delta kicking pilots out on the streets a while back? Hasn't happened with SOPs lot. He might be onto something.
Yeah Don, 15 years ago. That’s a lifetime in aviation.
Who wouldn’t want to go to Delta now? Especially if you compare it to this heap of crap we’re experiencing now.
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Old 3rd May 2018, 11:39
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
Wasn't delta kicking pilots out on the streets a while back? Hasn't happened with SOPs lot. He might be onto something.
Delta’s last furlough was 14 or 15 years ago. In the 2009 economic crash they retained all pilots despite being over staffed by 600 pilots.
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Old 3rd May 2018, 16:12
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Well I am sure that will make all those poor dudes that were kicked out onto the streets feel much better .
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Old 3rd May 2018, 16:27
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Those poor guys kicked out on the streets are making over $300k and in many cases over 400k now. With complete control over their schedules.
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Old 3rd May 2018, 19:02
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Originally Posted by Laker
Those poor guys kicked out on the streets are making over $300k and in many cases over 400k now. With complete control over their schedules.
Its no use trying to talk logic. Some pilots are stuck here and have to justify why they are not leaving this dump.
But it’s good for them though.
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Old 3rd May 2018, 21:05
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A good friend of mine retired from EK last year at age 65. He returned 'home' to the US and now works for Delta, his previous employer, as a ground instructor. He does this not because he wants to but because he needs to. Delta stole his pension 15 years ago and 'invested' his money in a re branding exercise after coming out of Chapter 11. He lost everything. So much for having a union. He came to Emirates 13 years ago and slowly rebuilt his finances. Some of his colleagues stayed at Delta and he admitted himself that if he'd stayed, he'd probably be better off schedule wise although financially, it would be about even. Even so, the fact that he lost his pension left a bitter taste and he always said how grateful he was to EK for affording him the chance to start again as a DEC.

I do wonder sometimes who the 'Kool Aid' drinkers really are? Short term memory or selective memory perhaps? Either way, the Stockholm syndrome seems just as prevelent in the good ol US of A as it is in the sandpit! Those airlines dropped you guys like hot potatoes yet it amazes me how loyal you remain. I guess rose tinted spectacles must be on sale in Walgreens these days, eh boys? Wonder how much the CEO's lost out during Chapter 11!

Anyway, wind up aside, not for one minute do I think EK's conditions, especially lifestyle, can match some of the more established carriers, both in the US and in Europe. However, what I do find amazing is how anytime an EK pilot provides his salary information, he's accused of bragging. Yet, Delta pilots seem immune from this criticism. All I do know is that any relative senior Training Captain within EK who's taking the live out allowance, will easily clear over $290,000 tax free each year. That's achievable after 18 years service.

I don't think anyone needs to justify anything with those figures RK Blue sky.

As for being stuck, yep, agreed, life is pretty crap to be honest. Weekend off so brunch tomorrow, then the boat Saturday with friends. Sunday school run......safe in the knowledge that no loser will be charging around campus with a semi automatic.

But it's good for you though.

Harry
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Harry,

Safe... School run. Whilst your reference to madmen running amok on campus is crude it's your total omission of the danger you face on the school run itself that is perhaps the greater example of rose tinted spectacle wearing.. Maybe the specs at Life pharmacy are even cheaper!

Seriously Harry, most of the mad men you refer to in the US are subsequently diagnosed with a 'delusional disorder' maybe you should get yourself checked out too.. perhaps they started out spouting total utter nonsense on Internet forums too!
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I think the statistics speak for themselves my friend. How many each year are killed by guns in the US? Crude? No, the reality of highlighting the dangers of a society where gun ownership is considered acceptable.

Luckily we can do the school run on foot.....but thanks for your concern!

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I'm more worried about the G wagons
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Originally Posted by harry the cod
As for being stuck, yep, agreed, life is pretty crap to be honest. Weekend off so brunch tomorrow, then the boat Saturday with friends.

Harry
Harry I enjoy your commentary, which on the whole is generally balanced. I do read it, though, with the underlying realisation that you are stuck where you are and can't go anywhere. Fair enough, you make the most of it, so good on you.

When you state you're off to a Friday brunch then boating on Saturday, there is not one iota of envy in me, nor most who live in a western country I'd imagine. The Brunch/Boat Dubai lifestyle is one that is used to forget where one lives, as opposed to 'living a nice lifestyle.' The brunches are overpriced payments for poor quality food, among people obliterating every thought of where they are through excessive alcohol consumption, and the 'boating' in the Gulf waters, no matter how many times you manoeuvre up to the Burj for a photo, is not a pleasant and memory making day as it is around American/UK/Canada/Europe/Aust/NZ etc waters. It is another illusion built in a country of illusions, a country that is no longer just slowly cracking to show what's underneath. And it ain't pretty.

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Originally Posted by harry the cod
A good friend of mine retired from EK last year at age 65. He returned 'home' to the US and now works for Delta, his previous employer, as a ground instructor. He does this not because he wants to but because he needs to. Delta stole his pension 15 years ago and 'invested' his money in a re branding exercise after coming out of Chapter 11. He lost everything. So much for having a union. He came to Emirates 13 years ago and slowly rebuilt his finances. Some of his colleagues stayed at Delta and he admitted himself that if he'd stayed, he'd probably be better off schedule wise although financially, it would be about even. Even so, the fact that he lost his pension left a bitter taste and he always said how grateful he was to EK for affording him the chance to start again as a DEC.

I do wonder sometimes who the 'Kool Aid' drinkers really are? Short term memory or selective memory perhaps? Either way, the Stockholm syndrome seems just as prevelent in the good ol US of A as it is in the sandpit! Those airlines dropped you guys like hot potatoes yet it amazes me how loyal you remain. I guess rose tinted spectacles must be on sale in Walgreens these days, eh boys? Wonder how much the CEO's lost out during Chapter 11!

Anyway, wind up aside, not for one minute do I think EK's conditions, especially lifestyle, can match some of the more established carriers, both in the US and in Europe. However, what I do find amazing is how anytime an EK pilot provides his salary information, he's accused of bragging. Yet, Delta pilots seem immune from this criticism. All I do know is that any relative senior Training Captain within EK who's taking the live out allowance, will easily clear over $290,000 tax free each year. That's achievable after 18 years service.

I don't think anyone needs to justify anything with those figures RK Blue sky.

As for being stuck, yep, agreed, life is pretty crap to be honest. Weekend off so brunch tomorrow, then the boat Saturday with friends. Sunday school run......safe in the knowledge that no loser will be charging around campus with a semi automatic.

But it's good for you though.

Harry
I'd agree with you on this one Harry, it is crap. The overpriced brunches surrounded by those who stuff their faces and wasting food while getting drunk to excess. Boating? Well I suppose if you enjoy having to get permission from the authorities to go on the water every time and then be tracked everywhere you go even though there are increasingly less places to go where you won't incur some 5000 AED fine for some infraction or rule that no-one knows anything about...then yes! Its a nice day on the water...that is once you have all the yearly requisite paperwork, licenses and inspections in place!

It aint what it used to be ol bean!
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Old 4th May 2018, 01:27
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When I compare my boating experience here or on the beautiful lakes in Arizona , I will not hesitate a second and I will run back to Arizona.
I am not american but believe me if I had the opportunity to go and fly there , I will leave right away...
Driving there was a dream , the landscape was stuning , you had the desert BUT also mountains , natural lakes , trees etc...
Dubaï is just a gold artificial prison full of fake sense of happiness.

I am happy you are enjoying it ...
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I don't really understand why there are continued references to the US American Legacy carriers-only US Citizens/Green Card holders are eligible to even apply let alone get accepted! That effectively excludes the majority of EK pilots. If you are eligible and haven't already gone either: it works for you here or you got knocked back. BTW the conditions at the 'top of the tree' at US Legacy carriers are very similar to those of BA, QF, AF, LH and KLM (which also require citizenship and in some cases language skills) and apply to a very small percentage of the pilots at those carriers. If you have seniority more than 15 years here then you are have a package worth approximately $US260k without Training allowance, school fees or Provident Fund included. Yes China pays significantly more without any seniority but we are all aware of why that is and that assumes that they will accept your passport.

That is the crux-Legacy conditions exist for a select view based on Nationality combined with Seniority. Most expat pilots don't fit the criteria to have ever been eligible for positions like that. For those that do factors such as timing in industry cycle or a desire to expand horizons and desire for more professional challenge have precluded those options anyway. In the end it's 'horses for courses'. For those from South America and Africa personal safety dictates this is a much better place to be-as said earlier Dubai traffic is one of the biggest threats but it pales into insignificance when you have to worry about civil unrest. Personally I completely understand the dramatic rise in Home Schooling in the US-if I could live there I doubt I would send my kids to a public school as it would be too stressful. Remember you get one life-its up to the individual to determine which balance works for themselves.
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What’s this got to do with storing a/c at DEC? There are a lot of other threads for EK guys to air their grievances, but let’s keep this one one topic.
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Old 4th May 2018, 04:44
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Let me apologize in advance for contributing to the thread drift...
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Personally I completely understand the dramatic rise in Home Schooling in the US-if I could live there I doubt I would send my kids to a public school as it would be too stressful. Remember you get one life-its up to the individual to determine which balance works for themselves.
I think you are misunderstanding the situation. If you have some control over where you reside and which school system you can pick, then there are some wonderful school systems in the U.S. where your child can get a world class experience for the cost of paying your taxes plus a few nominal fees. If you were referring to the stress of your child's school being in international news for gun violence.... well the odds of taking an EK flight that CFITs in is probably greater.

The public high school I went had golf, gymnastics, swimming, baseball, both kinds of football, lacrosse, debate, theatre, and a bunch of other stuff I forget. 300 students in my class and around 270 of them went to some kind of university. I'm not trying to brag. The academics at many western European schools is sure to be top notch. Just be aware that in the U.S., like many other places, the quality of public schools can vary quite A LOT.
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Old 4th May 2018, 04:52
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harry the cod;

Nothing is stopping EK from keeping the Provident Funds if business goes real bad (US carrier chapter 11). Remember that you have to go via their offices con claim it back. EK could just give you an end of benefit like any other UAE employees...[/left]
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Originally Posted by Joker11
I know for a fact that 777s are standing at DWC. Just trying to find out which A380s have gone.
A6-EDB, EDL, EEZ and EOO are parked at DWC.
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