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Well the reduction of cabin crew on board has been announced. Should we run a book on which Thursday afternoon in June the reduced pilot ULR crewing will be announced?
If they're reducing CC levels then the already ridiculous service needs to be reduced too or the complaints will keep rolling in. It's almost impossible already to do it to standard with the full crew, now with less they'll be stretched even more. Watch the stress level go up further.
Speaking of cabin crew it's lovely they're trying to already forget about what happened a month ago.
Reducing pilots on ULR is very dumb. FFS just give a decent package and they will come. Either offer a deal commensurate with being "the world's best airline" or quit pretending to be the best...
Speaking of cabin crew it's lovely they're trying to already forget about what happened a month ago.
Reducing pilots on ULR is very dumb. FFS just give a decent package and they will come. Either offer a deal commensurate with being "the world's best airline" or quit pretending to be the best...
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Remove two to three cabin crew off flights. Reduce from 4 man ULR to 3 man ULR (scientifically proven these lazy aircrew spend too much time in the bunk don't you know?). And crisis is averted for a few more weeks.
Make big song and dance about removing a few rostering restrictions and promise to have a long hard look at flexible rosters (that's EK style flex roster, not real flex rostering) as a diversion and it should all work a treat.
Make big song and dance about removing a few rostering restrictions and promise to have a long hard look at flexible rosters (that's EK style flex roster, not real flex rostering) as a diversion and it should all work a treat.
The only real solution is to get rid of all those rostering and leave restrictions. And give a signification upward adjustment to pay.
Commuting rosters may help some, but won't be enough to fix the problem.
Commuting rosters may help some, but won't be enough to fix the problem.
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Pretty easy to picture in the following video how a company will definitively sink with wrong people at the wrong place at the wrong time
and arrogance and blindness in the next video isn't what is happening?
and arrogance and blindness in the next video isn't what is happening?
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A Junior FO would be a low experienced expat who hasn’t done his time in the airline as opposed to a cadet who gets his time of service ( staff number ) accounted for when he first started his training.
Cadets would remain FOs due to their length of service and that way, all egos would be preserved and you would effectively have SOs.
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Originally Posted by AMEX
A Junior FO would be a low experienced expat who hasn’t done his time in the airline as opposed to a cadet who gets his time of service ( staff number ) accounted for when he first started his training.
The only serious issue with this type of system is that the hours in the logbook are sometimes not acknowledged by other operators, and thus can be viewed by a prospective applicant as a potential waste of time, the other issue is dependent on how long one would sit in this position, especially if you’re being bypassed by direct entry fo’s and cadets
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The only serious issue with this type of system is that the hours in the logbook are sometimes not acknowledged by other operators, and thus can be viewed by a prospective aplicant as a potential waste of time, the other issue is dependent on how long one would sit in this position, especially if you’re being bypassed by direct entry fo’s and cadets
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Have EK not already got lowering experience. Why would you want it to go any lower and risk even more line incidents? The other snag is the Line Training requirement, Cadets and SOs put it through the roof.
This is a rate battle; recruitment rate + training rate vs. attrition rate
The only way to win in the short term is to kill the attrition to provide breathing space.
This is a rate battle; recruitment rate + training rate vs. attrition rate
The only way to win in the short term is to kill the attrition to provide breathing space.
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Have EK not already got lowering experience. Why would you want it to go any lower and risk even more line incidents? The other snag is the Line Training requirement, Cadets and SOs put it through the roof.
This is a rate battle; recruitment rate + training rate vs. attrition rate
The only way to win in the short term is to kill the attrition to provide breathing space.
This is a rate battle; recruitment rate + training rate vs. attrition rate
The only way to win in the short term is to kill the attrition to provide breathing space.
I’m asking because I don’t know the answer... has experience had anything to do with a significant number of recent incidences?
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Second Officers?
if you wanted to keep a pay differential between the present F/O salary and a proposed scale for S/O - is there enough 'room' there to actually pay a Dubai-Living wage and still attract applicants?
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you would be surprised , there are second officers in Flydubai paid 12000 Dhs/month ( all included ), no allowance , no sector pay ) until released on line and then 20000 Dhs until reaching 1500hrs...
And they are still flowing in...
And they are still flowing in...
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Junior FOs or guys looking for their first jet are better off going to FD than EK. Initially the money is less, a lot less, but time to command is almost half and the possibilities after that outweigh widebody experience
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