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Switching from ground/cabin staff to flight deck

Old 21st Mar 2018, 13:14
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Switching from ground/cabin staff to flight deck

Hello all,

I have been doing some research around here with no luck.

I wanted to know how does it work for staff members at Middle East Airlines who have pilot licences, is the transition to flight deck easy ? Do they have priority ?

Let's say for a flight Dispatcher or flight ops officer or even cabin crew who already have Frozen atpl licences with only 200h (ab-initio), is it easy ?

Thank you, your feedback is much appreciated.

Regards

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Old 21st Mar 2018, 16:04
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Don't expect any favors

When I was doing my flight training, I also was ground staff for what was known as the most "people loving" employee- friendly airlines in the USA. When I wrote to the HQ asking about various opportunities for a long-standing employee to transition to the flight deck I was told "There's no financial reason for this airline to support such a request. You should go out and get some experience and come back to us with your Type-Rating".

Being that Emirates is not known as neither an employee-loving nor particularly pilot-loving airline, and based on my past experience, I would not expect any extra consideration from them.

If I were to ever go back to the "old company" with all the experience I have now, I would get my old 1990's employee number back, just for fun, but of course none of the seniority or longevity!
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 20:56
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The simple answer is no. You need to have the same qualifications as any other applicant, and that will mean working for another operator to get the required hours.

It would probably look good on your CV, as you obviously know the airline and country, but there is no actual formal path from FA (or any other ground role) to cockpit.
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 22:04
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Thank you for your replies.

The reason why I asked this question is because I heared that Qatar Airways for example gives such opportunity for its staff to pursue the second officer program. They even have priority over outsiders .
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 01:03
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I know I am just a brain washed Spainiard, but in any event.....

QR do have a program for staff to transition,even staff with no flying experience. Not sure of the priority level. I am led to believe it is a seperate pool for current staff. Once the pool is full, you have to wait or go through the general population channel.
It seems that QR is more employee friendly than other airlines in the region. But again, I am brain washed.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 03:13
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QR does allow their employees to change their respective departments to different department that have higher pay grade depending on your qualification, performance and approval from management.

One of those examples is cabin crew, dispatchers or ground staff to second officers. As for the waiting lists and talent pools, no one has an accurate idea how this works and who has the priority over whom.

Best of luck.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 09:52
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I did my induction in QR with a former CC that got the opportunity to rejoin as a flight crew after talking personally with the big fish. He didn't want to commit all that money and time before gauging his real chances for succes and in this particular case the response from the airline was great. He was male and he was from a country with a similar religious background as QR, I don't know how much weight did these two facts had in the process.

And I am definitely not being brainwashed as I totally hated my time there.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 14:34
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Having been involved in Recruitment at Qr in the past I can say that they are very good with staff allowing them a long term leave to pursue training, and a definite advantage and opportunity when coming to interview.....nothing definite but generally speaking try to take care of their own!
It always made sense to me. Many of these guys and gals have been flying as cabin crew and paying their own training cost little by little, so when I saw someone who had already invested many years with the company as a loyal employee, they were an easy choice over someone who had never had to try or struggle cause daddy paid for everything

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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 01:31
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My experience of the Middle East is that companies will, if it suits them, give preference to Nationals of the airline's country, or near neighbours, as in the Gulf. Nationals are normally recruited under different terms and conditions to non Nationals which protect their employment status should the airline need to make redundancies some time later.
As far back as 1978 Gulf Air, (then the airline of Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Oman and Dubai) the management stated that it was their intention to Nationalise the entire airline with Gulf Nationals and get rid of all expats! Hasn't happened yet but it was the plan.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 08:48
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
My experience of the Middle East is that companies will, if it suits them, give preference to Nationals of the airline's country, or near neighbours, as in the Gulf. Nationals are normally recruited under different terms and conditions to non Nationals which protect their employment status should the airline need to make redundancies some time later.
As far back as 1978 Gulf Air, (then the airline of Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Oman and Dubai) the management stated that it was their intention to Nationalise the entire airline with Gulf Nationals and get rid of all expats! Hasn't happened yet but it was the plan.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 14:35
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 11:02
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efta

I am currently in the same situation, about to leave and start an integrated easa ATpl.

I went to ask if there is any favour to ex cabin crew who spent 5 years in the company, the response was no, no favour and even the experience of cabin crew does not help.

The only hope now is the Emirates Flight training academy, it looks huge so i will go and ask if there is any program for current employees , maybe a discount on the price that should be huge as well.

With the current crew mood in Ek if they open a program to upgrade their crew they will get huge benefits out of it.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 00:03
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@youssou why would any airline give a discount on their training when there are heaps of young guys willing to pay whatever figure to leap from zero to the left seat of a jet. It is what is actually driving some companies nowadays, the rush of some to be there before others. Your experience and hindsight means nothing compared to a wire transfer.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 04:20
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I am currently in the same situation, about to leave and start an integrated easa ATpl.

I went to ask if there is any favour to ex cabin crew who spent 5 years in the company, the response was no, no favour and even the experience of cabin crew does not help.

The only hope now is the Emirates Flight training academy, it looks huge so i will go and ask if there is any program for current employees , maybe a discount on the price that should be huge as well.

With the current crew mood in Ek if they open a program to upgrade their crew they will get huge benefits out of it.
Can you name 1 HUGE benefit for Emirates to open flight training to Cabin Crew at a HUGE discount?
Just curious as to what the benefit would be, considering Pilot Pay is one of the biggest issues within EK at the moment?
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