Communication on 121.5
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It wasn't an 'opinion', it was an action and the irony of MM's actions must be completely lost on you.
MM thought he'd be funny and tell us all what a dude he is by adding to the mayhem in his own childish way. It's already bad enough without jamming the frequency further, a frequency that he himself is so concerned in protecting for its 'real reason'. And if the names he used were indeed factual, which I doubt for one minute, I'd have thought an ASR would be more appropriate in letting the airlines and authorities deal with the muppets. Or do you too condone 'edgy' behaviour like that in the Dusty West? As for rose coloured morality, how about some basic professional standards and pride, regardless of which airline you work for!
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Harry
It wasn't an 'opinion', it was an action and the irony of MM's actions must be completely lost on you.
MM thought he'd be funny and tell us all what a dude he is by adding to the mayhem in his own childish way. It's already bad enough without jamming the frequency further, a frequency that he himself is so concerned in protecting for its 'real reason'. And if the names he used were indeed factual, which I doubt for one minute, I'd have thought an ASR would be more appropriate in letting the airlines and authorities deal with the muppets. Or do you too condone 'edgy' behaviour like that in the Dusty West? As for rose coloured morality, how about some basic professional standards and pride, regardless of which airline you work for!
Professional Pilot forum? It makes me wonder at times.
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"Station calling on 121.5. Please state your emergency and any assistance you may require".
Usually does the job in shutting up the PLA Air Force and the odd Filipino Fishermen talking to his airborne cousin in this part of the world.
Usually does the job in shutting up the PLA Air Force and the odd Filipino Fishermen talking to his airborne cousin in this part of the world.
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what if...
What these, I call them, "guard morons" don't thing about is, what if...
What if the voice recording is being recovered because of a stupid thing like a tire burst. What will the airline think about them as professionals after getting a transcript with burps and meows on it?
What if the voice recording is being recovered because of a stupid thing like a tire burst. What will the airline think about them as professionals after getting a transcript with burps and meows on it?
Don’t worry Harold, I’m sure an ASR will solve it! nothing like applying first world standards in a place where they don’t exists, and quite frankly never will. I’m sure the crew in ISB thought that very thought when the ambi-lift toppled over...” I know how to fix this..an ASR!”
Using logic, reason and common sense is a pointless waste of time, as has been proven overwhelmingly time and time and time again.
Using logic, reason and common sense is a pointless waste of time, as has been proven overwhelmingly time and time and time again.
Almost never hear 121.5 abused in Europe. Yup, practice pans very occasionally in the uk. Is that a bad thing for student pilots? ME different story regardless of nationality, lack of radio discipline endemic. Followed a biz jet through the Desdi hold who continued to read back clearances without using his call sign akin to mobile phone use. Even the controller finally lost it - ‘ use your call sign!’
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I can see a lot of superiority complex in the above comments.So I am gonna expect next time any of you gentlemen from "first world countries" hear anyone abusing 121.5 they will promptly file an ASR or at least report the event to the ATC in contact.
I hope you must have been doing it so far as this annoys you so much and is very unprofessional.
I hope you must have been doing it so far as this annoys you so much and is very unprofessional.
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Almost never hear 121.5 abused in Europe. Yup, practice pans very occasionally in the uk. Is that a bad thing for student pilots? ME different story regardless of nationality, lack of radio discipline endemic. Followed a biz jet through the Desdi hold who continued to read back clearances without using his call sign akin to mobile phone use. Even the controller finally lost it - ‘ use your call sign!’
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It wasn't an 'opinion', it was an action and the irony of MM's actions must be completely lost on you.
MM thought he'd be funny and tell us all what a dude he is by adding to the mayhem in his own childish way. It's already bad enough without jamming the frequency further, a frequency that he himself is so concerned in protecting for its 'real reason'. And if the names he used were indeed factual, which I doubt for one minute, I'd have thought an ASR would be more appropriate in letting the airlines and authorities deal with the muppets. Or do you too condone 'edgy' behaviour like that in the Dusty West? As for rose coloured morality, how about some basic professional standards and pride, regardless of which airline you work for!
Professional Pilot forum? It makes me wonder at times.
Harry
It wasn't an 'opinion', it was an action and the irony of MM's actions must be completely lost on you.
MM thought he'd be funny and tell us all what a dude he is by adding to the mayhem in his own childish way. It's already bad enough without jamming the frequency further, a frequency that he himself is so concerned in protecting for its 'real reason'. And if the names he used were indeed factual, which I doubt for one minute, I'd have thought an ASR would be more appropriate in letting the airlines and authorities deal with the muppets. Or do you too condone 'edgy' behaviour like that in the Dusty West? As for rose coloured morality, how about some basic professional standards and pride, regardless of which airline you work for!
Professional Pilot forum? It makes me wonder at times.
Harry
I'll spell it out to be a little more clear, it seems you may have missed my point.
From my earlier post:
The discipline on "THE INTERNATIONAL EMERGENCY FREQUENCY" also known as "GUARD" has escaped common sense, airmanship and maturity in this region but also in Europe where its just about as bad. Why any (supposed) "professional" would think making cat noises, burps, farts, Big Button Box sound effects is somehow smart or cool begs belief.
Every pilot worthy of the title "professional"will monitor this frequency...please do us all a favour and show the world how smart you are by shutting up!
The basic "airmanship and pride" is what I believe this whole thread is about, wouldn't you agree or do you see it some other way?
PS: Use spaces when writing out code, IE: " _ . _ _ . _ _ _ _ . . ." Otherwise you make yourself look like a " ._ ._. ... ."
I guess it is just perception then. I now fly predominantly within Europe and rarely hear 121.5 being abused. However, that is not to say it doesn’t happen. I don’t like it either. Trying to be professional should not be equated with ‘feeling superior.’
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I can see a lot of superiority complex in the above comments.So I am gonna expect next time any of you gentlemen from "first world countries" hear anyone abusing 121.5 they will promptly file an ASR or at least report the event to the ATC in contact.
I hope you must have been doing it so far as this annoys you so much and is very unprofessional.
I hope you must have been doing it so far as this annoys you so much and is very unprofessional.
This is not an issue of superiority or racism, quit trying to put that spin on things...its getting old and tiresome.
Abuse of guard has nothing to do with an individual airline ASR system as there is really nothing they can do to correct the problem within their own ranks. It is an issue of immaturity, lack of professionalism and abuse of a very important frequency. Remember, all ATC, military, search and rescue, coast guard, some branches of law enforcement and most if not all airlines monitor this frequency, why would anyone in their right mind use it for any other purpose? There is nothing superior in maintaining a high level of radio discipline which is the point of this thread.
In addition, its not just the aeronautical emergency frequency that gets abused in the region. The Maritime CH 16 (also, a guard frequency) gets abused beyond belief with all manner of music, banter and the like.
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Yes, I do agree with you, which surprises me that your time and effort is not better spent pushing MM to answer a straightforward question?
MM
Yes or no? Still waiting!
Harry
Yes, I do agree with you, which surprises me that your time and effort is not better spent pushing MM to answer a straightforward question?
MM
Yes or no? Still waiting!
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When Sanjeet and Pradip are discussing the cricket try the following:
Open the air vent
Hold the hand mic over it
Depress the transmit button for 10 to 15 seconds.
Release and check if they're still going
If so... repeat
Eventually they give up. More effective than morse.
Open the air vent
Hold the hand mic over it
Depress the transmit button for 10 to 15 seconds.
Release and check if they're still going
If so... repeat
Eventually they give up. More effective than morse.
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In Europe it appears to be largely clear of abuse, only the occasional student practise, but that is perfectly fine. Towards the Middle East and further SE, it gets a lot worse.
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The trouble is that because it has become a jet airways / spice jet / indigo chat frequency - and I'm talking specifically about areas around the sub continent towards Muscat, we all end up turning down the volume on 121.5 so we don't have to listen to the incessant drivel! Unfortunately when its really needed the bi product is we are not listening!!
If you must talk use 123.45
If you must talk use 123.45
