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Old 21st Feb 2018, 15:36
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More EK bad News

While the super muppet TC tries desperately to tackle the new allegations of the US 3 . More great news in the pipeline.

Woman kicked off Emirates flight because of period pain - Business Insider Deutschland

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Old 21st Feb 2018, 16:35
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Seems like a day for the UAE aviation industry.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:23
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Could have been 'period pain' or could have been something worse! Not quite sure how it relates to the US3 v ME3 Talparc!

Nor Bonway do I see what this has to do with the Serbians!!!!

'kin 'ell...........
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 02:18
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EK children , I mean Captain 's , at it again.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 02:38
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For certain she tld them it was more than 'a 1 out of 10' if the crew called Medlink. Majority of the cc are female, they know what's usual and what's not.

She might have taked it up hoping for an upgrade, then freaked out when the crew followed procedure (ask questions) and followed up (call Medlink if in any doubt of fitness to fly)

I flew with some muppets but no senior is dumb enough to offload for 'period pain'. The result would have hinged entirely on the questions asked and the answers the pax gave. As for being embarrassed, she was obviously ok with talking about it to her boyfriend loud enough for a passing crewmember to hear.

Then again, this is the Sun doing the reporting...
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 02:40
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WK, he may be clutching at straws but the stories are related to ME3 (however tenuously) the offload happen on EK, and Air Serbia is partly owned by Eee Why. I've seen far more pointless threads in here than this one...
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 08:59
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She might have taked it up hoping for an upgrade, then freaked out when the crew followed procedure
This happened to me a few years ago when picking up the aircraft in Singapore for that transit sector on the way to Brisbane.

Some naive Aussie girl who was travelling LHR-DXB-SIN-BNE all in one go, was on the aircraft during the transit stop when we joined as the new crew. She told the economy SFS that she’d thrown up 10 times on the previous two sectors and that the inbound crew had advised her she’d be better sat in Biz class and to ask the new crew for an upgrade (bigger seat stops vomiting apparently - must try it).

Needless to say, both her and her brother found themselves offloaded at the recommendation of Medlink and having to fund their own continuation to Brisbane. Silly girl.
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Nor Bonway do I see what this has to do with the Serbians!!!!
There's no accounting for stupidity.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 12:26
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That's assuming the pax is telling an accurate account of the events.

The article mentions she was "complaining of pain" to the crew. Doesn't sound like they went butting in.

If crew overhear a pax complaining of pain they're required to delve deeper. A simple headache can turn out to be a brain bleed or a stroke, so personally I'd rather they err on the side of caution rather than dismiss it and fly on ending up with a medical case or worse a diversion.

In recent years GMT have been stressing the importance of catching issues pre-dep due to unnecessary diversions. (See: giving antacid along with aspirin for chest pain to avoid diverting for indigestion)

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So is the new EK SOP that if any cc overhears any woman having a private conversation with their partner about period pains then from now one they all can expect to get off loaded? It seems to be from the gist of some of the replies here!
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 12:28
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Odin I experienced the same on several occasions. Pax trying for a better/bz seat, trots out symptoms which when run past medlink result in offload
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 16:09
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Someone was looking for an upgrade and it backfired. Now Daily Mail has spun it into a story where the passenger is the victim and Emirates the bully. Slow news day. Move along.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 16:38
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SS, yes it can as unfortunately one of my pax found out.

In.itself a headache is nothing but the point I was trying to make is that even things which "appear" simple can be otherwise, the important part is asking the right questions and knowing what other symptoms to look out for. If in doubt, refer it to Medlink as that is what they are paid for.

I would have thought up front would prefer the conservative approach but by all means if you think crew questioning things that don't "feel right" is silly go ahead, the diversion will be good practice for the next PPC I suppose.

In my time I had no less than 7 incidents where pax were offloaded with developing conditions that airborne would have necessitated diversion.

Two of those were a result of crew overhearing pax conversations and feeling something "wasn't right"
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 19:25
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The OMA alleviates your responsibility, if there is any doubt, contact Medlink.

I'm not a doctor, nor is any of the cabin crew. I'm not completely heartless though, one time a few years ago we were parked out on C stands doing a night india turn to god-knows-where when an elderly lady became short of breath and pale. We called medlink and as you guessed... ...they recommended offloading her. Initially the CSV was concerned, which is why we called medlink, then the woman protested that she was fine when given the bad news. It was beginning to turn into a situation and I went back, she looked fine to me and the purser agreed. As it turns out, she got out of breath coming up the loading stairs, which can be a task for an elderly person, let alone any one of us out of shape captains!

I actually called medlink back and told them she looked ok to travel. They had us take her blood pressure, which was normal, then said she's fine to travel.


PS. I also didn't want to wait 45 minutes for them to find her bags

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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 20:04
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Nor Bonway do I see what this has to do with the Serbians!
There's no accounting for stupidity.
So come on smartarse, what has your opening link about EK and 'period pain' have to do with your second link:Rumor: Air Serbia to restructure. Will Etihad pull out?

I guess there is no accounting for stupid people
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CC. Perfect example. Talk to the pax, get the measure of the situation and adjust as the circumstances dictate.

Which I'm sure is what the crew in the original story did. I doubt they'd have gone to the trouble of offloading them and incurring a delay "minutes from takeoff" without a valid concern.
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Originally Posted by Odins Raven View Post
This happened to me a few years ago when picking up the aircraft in Singapore for that transit sector on the way to Brisbane.

Some naive Aussie girl who was travelling LHR-DXB-SIN-BNE all in one go, was on the aircraft during the transit stop when we joined as the new crew. She told the economy SFS that she’d thrown up 10 times on the previous two sectors and that the inbound crew had advised her she’d be better sat in Biz class and to ask the new crew for an upgrade (bigger seat stops vomiting apparently - must try it).

Needless to say, both her and her brother found themselves offloaded at the recommendation of Medlink and having to fund their own continuation to Brisbane. Silly girl.
Bahahahahaha! Classic!
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Old 23rd Feb 2018, 15:59
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[QUOTE=givemewings;10061693]SS, “one of my pax’

Just out of curiosity where does one purchase of of these pax?
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Old 23rd Feb 2018, 16:33
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If you're here to troll you'll need to do better than that.

When they're on the aircraft, they're "ours". Pretty common turn of phrase

Just out of curiosity where does one purchase of of these pax?
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If you're here to troll you'll need to do better than that.

When they're on the aircraft, they're "ours". Pretty common turn of phrase
Not trolling! Of that I can assure you.
I agree that it’s a common turn of phrase but they are certainly “not yours”! Easy to get drawn into making rash and condescending decisions.
No one on the aircraft belongs to you and the aircraft certainly does NOT belong to you for the time that you use it. You are simply responsible for it and them (I’m certain that the insurance covers that part in legal terms). Just like you don’t belong to the company you work for (despite of what they will have you think).

Yes, you do have the final authority but that does not exclude you from bearing responsibility should your decision be erroneous, even penal in some cases.

So presuming that a human paying passenger who purchases a ticket with your airline, thus entering into an agreement of safe travel from A to B with the said company, is willingly relinquishing the rights to personal freedom for the duration of said flight is the correct “turn of phrase”, in your opinion (and others), could simply imply that you are...
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Old 23rd Feb 2018, 18:52
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Go ahead please!
This is getting interesting

Originally Posted by LivingINtheDream View Post
Not trolling! Of that I can assure you.
I agree that it’s a common turn of phrase but they are certainly “not yours”! Easy to get drawn into making rash and condescending decisions.
No one on the aircraft belongs to you and the aircraft certainly does NOT belong to you for the time that you use it. You are simply responsible for it and them (I’m certain that the insurance covers that part in legal terms). Just like you don’t belong to the company you work for (despite of what they will have you think).

Yes, you do have the final authority but that does not exclude you from bearing responsibility should your decision be erroneous, even penal in some cases.

So presuming that a human paying passenger who purchases a ticket with your airline, thus entering into an agreement of safe travel from A to B with the said company, is willingly relinquishing the rights to personal freedom for the duration of said flight is the correct “turn of phrase”, in your opinion (and others), could simply imply that you are...
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