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Old 14th Feb 2018, 07:18
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not going to his level

I see Airbubba is being given royally by intellect posters here, so I see no point trying to put him in his sad corner.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 11:09
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For those that said that they will happily accept the allegations made against our colleague, if others provided credible information on this website, what would be stopping you carrying out your own due diligence? The research I carried out went far more in depth than relying on the screenshot that was circulated and this is what many have simply relied on. Any links I could provide would be useless if posted here, as the information is password protected, as I had to register to gain access. The information I obtained is detailed and surprisingly invasive but it was obtained through channels that are legal and open to anyone, should they feel inclined. It is up to us to inform ourselves appropriately and in turn formulate our own decisions and leave the squabbles to one side. Whilst I have made up my own mind based on what I researched, someone else could come to the opposite conclusion after viewing the very same information. This would be no different to what you would see with a jury in court. To wait for others to bring the information to the table and do nothing yourself, is akin to burying ones head in the sand and deny that this might have happened.

The fact that a person with such a criminal history could share a flight deck with us at EK, is a concern in its own right but this also affects our lives away from work too, with many of us having colleagues in the same neighbourhood. One of the good things about living in this place is that it’s relatively safe and secure and especially for kids. I don’t have any kids myself but I would hazard a guess that many families with kids here in Dubai are perhaps a bit more liberal with how much freedom they extend to their kids, than back at home. We have no union here and if this whole charade is true, then I can guarantee that the company will do all that it can to brush such an episode under the carpet, as is the modus operandi in this part of the world for anything remotely embarrassing. Whilst we alone will have next to nothing in the way of influence in shaping how the company could modify checks and processes for new employees, the one thing we can do on this website is to highlight and discuss any flaws that may exist with these current checks and processes. The internet is a powerful tool for communication and it is the number one thorn for the company in dealing with issues that they would rather forget. This issue of potentially having undesirable applicants ‘slipping through the net’ could be one that they would rather forget yet could be one that affects us all including our families.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 13:28
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So tell us what is or is not the near truth please? After your normal childish and ego satisfying bullshit!
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 13:49
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A little unfair and harsh there I think Mr Mugabe.

Though I don't entirely buy the 'password protected' excuse for not posting details.

A screenshot of the relevant details would satisfy most of us I think Emma.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 17:18
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With such a sensitive issue, I have from the outset attempted to post with with a degree of tact and diplomacy. If my posts are considered to be ego fulfilling and childish then I can assure you that is most certainly not my intention, yet I make absolutely no apology for what I have said on this topic so far.

The information I obtained was from a data provider and it is their business to sell data on individuals and companies to others. I availed myself of a trial period and I cancelled the trial after downloading what I wanted, so I paid nothing in the end. Not withstanding that, I don't see why I should potentially cause problems for myself by effectively distributing a product from elsewhere, which could be widely circulated and potentially being traced back to me. Also of note is the post made by Talparc which contained the link to the screenshot that so many of us have seen, seems to have been deleted already.

A crime involving a minor which is linked to an individual with the same name and DOB as our colleague, was recorded in San Joaquin CA with charges filed in August 2008 (as previously mentioned) and the same individual being placed on the California Sex Offenders Register with their ID number ending in 3770. That is as much as I am willing to post on here.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds View Post
With such a sensitive issue, I have from the outset attempted to post with with a degree of tact and diplomacy. If my posts are considered to be ego fulfilling and childish then I can assure you that is most certainly not my intention, yet I make absolutely no apology for what I have said on this topic so far.

The information I obtained was from a data provider and it is their business to sell data on individuals and companies to others. I availed myself of a trial period and I cancelled the trial after downloading what I wanted, so I paid nothing in the end. Not withstanding that, I don't see why I should potentially cause problems for myself by effectively distributing a product from elsewhere, which could be widely circulated and potentially being traced back to me. Also of note is the post made by Talparc which contained the link to the screenshot that so many of us have seen, seems to have been deleted already.

A crime involving a minor which is linked to an individual with the same name and DOB as our colleague, was recorded in San Joaquin CA with charges filed in August 2008 (as previously mentioned) and the same individual being placed on the California Sex Offenders Register with their ID number ending in 3770. That is as much as I am willing to post on here.
charges filed dont get one on the list, a conviction in court is required, and most likely cancelling of passport
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 18:50
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You don’t lose your passport as a registered sex offender. You might be surprised if you went through every name of your seniority list.

A 2017 law -

The change by federal authorities will require child offenders to re-apply for passports that will contain the phrase, "The bearer was convicted of a sex offense against a minor, and is a covered sex offender pursuant to (U.S. law)." New passports issued to pedophiles will also bear the phrase.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 19:06
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds View Post
A crime involving a minor which is linked to an individual with the same name and DOB as our colleague, was recorded in San Joaquin CA with charges filed in August 2008 (as previously mentioned) and the same individual being placed on the California Sex Offenders Register with their ID number ending in 3770. That is as much as I am willing to post on here.
He may have had the charges dropped for any number of reasons like mistaken identity or insufficient evidence. Or, he may have done a plea deal to avoid a felony conviction but still ended up on the sex offender list like this guy:

Pee-wee Actor Settles Kiddie Porn Case | PEOPLE.com

And, as with most of us, there are several people with similar names in California. However, not many will have the same date of birth.

I can't blame Emirates, sometimes this stuff shows up on a quick records check, sometimes it doesn't.

A colleague of mine years ago told me that she had a termination hearing while she was on probation (first year, you don't have full union protection) at a U.S. airline. The company claimed that she lied on her application and had an arrest in Las Vegas for prostitution that she did not disclose. You know where this one's going.

It turned out that the descriptors in the arrest record and the mug shot did not match at all and the company apologetically put her back on the line. In the modern era she may have received a substantial settlement for the false defamatory accusation.

As someone observed here, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the company and everyone else if we take action on rumors, suspicions and partial information.

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You donít lose your passport as a registered sex offender. You might be surprised if you went through every name of your seniority list.
Sadly, every large airline has a few of these folks. An American Airlines pilot was sentenced to life in the big house last month for child sex offenses.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 05:07
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very strange that early posters were vilified for mentioning the RUMOUR about a pilot exiting the flight deck "could destroy someones career mentioning it here" etc...etc...but later on we are talking about possible sex offenders... must have been an Austronut involved in the original topic

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Old 9th Mar 2018, 12:04
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Any news on this topic ? I've heard that both were fired, is that true ??
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 12:13
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For a moment i thought i was on the Superwomen page.

Silly me, sorry!
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 12:45
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 01:00
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Any news on this topic ? I've heard that both were fired, is that true ??
From a source:

The Captain was shopping for a job in Asia, but he was later turned down after discovering this event and his past life.
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 04:56
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From a source:

The Captain was shopping for a job in Asia, but he was later turned down after discovering this event and his past life.

Thatís great news, can anybody confirm the captain in question has been fired from EK?
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 09:46
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Why does it matter?
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 09:48
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Thatís great news, can anybody confirm the captain in question has been fired from EK?
He resigned.
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 10:16
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Actually does, yes
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