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I posted earlier in this thread that for those who were interested, to conduct their own research and so that they could make up their own mind as to if there is any truth to the matter involving this individual, prior to his tenure at EK. I had taken some time to dig deeper, as I was amazed that an individual with such a history could make it to the LHS of a widebody here in the Gulf. I was going to keep what I had found to myself but given that the matter has been brought out into the open, I feel that perhaps what I had found may be of interest to fellow colleagues.
Firstly my understanding is that an individual will only appear on any state sex offender register if the state can verify that they are residing in that same state. In other words, it's pointless for a crime in California to be documented in records for California, when the individual is no longer residing there. This will explain why no searches are showing anything with anyone with the same name, as the records being searched are current and not historical. My understanding is that part of the conditions for being on the sex offenders register is that you have to report to the authorities of where you live at set time intervals as well as any planned change of address. Someone living in Dubai will not appear on any current sex offender register as they are not living in the US. Based on California DOJ records that I accessed online via a third party, there is an individual with the same full name as in a FAA ATP Certificate issued with the same DOB that matches from a copy of the old seniority list, as well as a photo of a striking resemblance, of an individual that was listed on the California DOJ - Sex Offenders Absconders list. There was no date from when this record was generated but it did state that charges were filed in August 2008. This alone is rather compelling in its own right. The definition of an absconder within the context of a sex offender as I understand it, is that it is someone who is in violation of their release conditions or that their whereabouts are unknown. If moving abroad is not reported then this may be classed as absconding?
I could not find any information concerning any court case or any sentence that was handed down but there was a ID number for the entry that was made in the California sex offenders registry. I would suspect that a conviction has to be made before a entry is made in the register.
However there are some conflicting questions that I could not answer myself. Firstly, wouldn't US immigration be keen to speak to the individual concerned when they were entering the US if they were an absconder, as I suspect anyone in this category would be flagged to US CBP? Perhaps his whereabouts were eventually known and the record of being an absconder is now out of date? Secondly if a prison sentence was imposed, then how would a gap in ones flying records be accounted for when applying to EK and the time between any court case and joining EK seems to be less than three years. If a probation order was imposed, would this still allow someone to fly commercially in the USA? Would a criminal record involving such a crime as this, preclude someone from gaining a airport/airline pass in the USA? I know that in many European countries at least, such a conviction will result in a ban on holding any airport pass regardless of the job involved and in the UK at least, the ban period appears to be commensurate with the severity of the sentence imposed.
Should we be dealing with the same individual, then it will be highly embarrassing for the company that someone with such a history can make it to EK and never mind to the LHS. If it is the same person, then it shows that security checks performed by the company on any new pilot are not particularly invasive and perhaps are only designed to highlight an individuals threat to local security? With the company employing expats from all over the world, the task of performing such arduous background checks will be onerous in terms of time and manpower and I would suspect there is not enough of either resource! There will be some countries that may restrict such information being circulated and the circulation of valid information maybe restricted due to corrupt practices in less scrupulous countries. Therefore the company is placing a lot of trust in the candidate being honest with any criminal history but should honesty be compromised, then the company will probably have little recourse to know otherwise. I suspect that EK would never employ anyone as a pilot with a conviction of this nature, so if it is the same person, then it raises the question of the accuracy of the data provided at the application stage. Any falsification that can be proved will (and quite rightly too) probably end up in immediate dismissal.
Finally I have spoken to two colleagues who have flown with the individual concerned and he claimed to both of them on separate occasions, that he is a active reservist in the US Military. Firstly I find it amazing that someone could still serve with a such criminal record, as I am sure the same offence would disqualify anyone at the application stage of joining the military. If we are dealing with the same person and if serving with such a record is not possible then it raises the uncomfortable question of what else may be not all it seems? Again, perhaps one of our American colleagues can provide some clarity as to if one could still serve with such a conviction.
Perhaps some colleagues maybe able to fill in the blanks that I could not find answers to but perhaps what I found out may dispel a myth or two and add some clarity to what is a rather bizarre situation. I stand to be corrected should anyone have more accurate information and I shall edit accordingly.
Firstly my understanding is that an individual will only appear on any state sex offender register if the state can verify that they are residing in that same state. In other words, it's pointless for a crime in California to be documented in records for California, when the individual is no longer residing there. This will explain why no searches are showing anything with anyone with the same name, as the records being searched are current and not historical. My understanding is that part of the conditions for being on the sex offenders register is that you have to report to the authorities of where you live at set time intervals as well as any planned change of address. Someone living in Dubai will not appear on any current sex offender register as they are not living in the US. Based on California DOJ records that I accessed online via a third party, there is an individual with the same full name as in a FAA ATP Certificate issued with the same DOB that matches from a copy of the old seniority list, as well as a photo of a striking resemblance, of an individual that was listed on the California DOJ - Sex Offenders Absconders list. There was no date from when this record was generated but it did state that charges were filed in August 2008. This alone is rather compelling in its own right. The definition of an absconder within the context of a sex offender as I understand it, is that it is someone who is in violation of their release conditions or that their whereabouts are unknown. If moving abroad is not reported then this may be classed as absconding?
I could not find any information concerning any court case or any sentence that was handed down but there was a ID number for the entry that was made in the California sex offenders registry. I would suspect that a conviction has to be made before a entry is made in the register.
However there are some conflicting questions that I could not answer myself. Firstly, wouldn't US immigration be keen to speak to the individual concerned when they were entering the US if they were an absconder, as I suspect anyone in this category would be flagged to US CBP? Perhaps his whereabouts were eventually known and the record of being an absconder is now out of date? Secondly if a prison sentence was imposed, then how would a gap in ones flying records be accounted for when applying to EK and the time between any court case and joining EK seems to be less than three years. If a probation order was imposed, would this still allow someone to fly commercially in the USA? Would a criminal record involving such a crime as this, preclude someone from gaining a airport/airline pass in the USA? I know that in many European countries at least, such a conviction will result in a ban on holding any airport pass regardless of the job involved and in the UK at least, the ban period appears to be commensurate with the severity of the sentence imposed.
Should we be dealing with the same individual, then it will be highly embarrassing for the company that someone with such a history can make it to EK and never mind to the LHS. If it is the same person, then it shows that security checks performed by the company on any new pilot are not particularly invasive and perhaps are only designed to highlight an individuals threat to local security? With the company employing expats from all over the world, the task of performing such arduous background checks will be onerous in terms of time and manpower and I would suspect there is not enough of either resource! There will be some countries that may restrict such information being circulated and the circulation of valid information maybe restricted due to corrupt practices in less scrupulous countries. Therefore the company is placing a lot of trust in the candidate being honest with any criminal history but should honesty be compromised, then the company will probably have little recourse to know otherwise. I suspect that EK would never employ anyone as a pilot with a conviction of this nature, so if it is the same person, then it raises the question of the accuracy of the data provided at the application stage. Any falsification that can be proved will (and quite rightly too) probably end up in immediate dismissal.
Finally I have spoken to two colleagues who have flown with the individual concerned and he claimed to both of them on separate occasions, that he is a active reservist in the US Military. Firstly I find it amazing that someone could still serve with a such criminal record, as I am sure the same offence would disqualify anyone at the application stage of joining the military. If we are dealing with the same person and if serving with such a record is not possible then it raises the uncomfortable question of what else may be not all it seems? Again, perhaps one of our American colleagues can provide some clarity as to if one could still serve with such a conviction.
Perhaps some colleagues maybe able to fill in the blanks that I could not find answers to but perhaps what I found out may dispel a myth or two and add some clarity to what is a rather bizarre situation. I stand to be corrected should anyone have more accurate information and I shall edit accordingly.
Airbubba thanks for that . As I mentioned there may be bigger fish to fry a little closer to home & yes I remember the guvnor ... don’t genuine mug shots also show a profile view ? Or have I been watching too much bad tv ?
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Wow. A lot of cases for people needing Midol and/or Preparation H. Never on this site have I seen so many people whining and crying!!! Got all my laughs in on one thread today!!!
Much defense on this thread and the opposite on others. hmph.
Just the fact that someone's name appears on one of those websites tells enough of a story, conviction or not. That makes the cc accusation extremely believable. civvies, solo landing? who cares. I land all by myself once per trip.
Much defense on this thread and the opposite on others. hmph.
Just the fact that someone's name appears on one of those websites tells enough of a story, conviction or not. That makes the cc accusation extremely believable. civvies, solo landing? who cares. I land all by myself once per trip.
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Here is one site. https://www.nsopw.gov/en
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For Americans, expat flying has traditionally been a chance to escape something back home and start again.
One coworker from years ago had a DUI on his record. I wondered why he wasn't anxious to repatriate with the rest of us when jobs opened up back home.
Turns out that back then DUI's scrolled off the National Driver Register after three years and he was counting the days before he put out applications.
His timing was correct, he finally interviewed and got a job with one of the major U.S. airlines. He's a check airman and management pilot, eats lunch at the Barbecue Kitchen on Virginia Avenue (they don't serve beer
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One coworker from years ago had a DUI on his record. I wondered why he wasn't anxious to repatriate with the rest of us when jobs opened up back home.
Turns out that back then DUI's scrolled off the National Driver Register after three years and he was counting the days before he put out applications.
His timing was correct, he finally interviewed and got a job with one of the major U.S. airlines. He's a check airman and management pilot, eats lunch at the Barbecue Kitchen on Virginia Avenue (they don't serve beer
).
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I'd be really careful starting Reddit threads and posting on here claiming that your colleague is a sex offender when you have no real concrete evidence. At the very least I hope you've taken appropriate precautions so that you can't be traced in case it turns out this guy is innocent.
Mob justice never was a good thing.
Mob justice never was a good thing.
Airbubba, interesting post.
Your theory brings up some possibilities that
a) they were not aware and somehow he hid this from the company if it is indeed true (easy enough to apply with a second passport, plenty of the cabin crew do especially those who may have been let go from other airlines)
And/or b) someone knew about it and approved him anyway, as we know the clique can be strong in the sandpit and morals are only as strong as the weakest member of the group. *if* this person had a friend on the inside at the time of application that could also explain why he got into the position he did.
So either it isn't true, the background checks are inadequate, or someone in the company is passing people through who are unsuitable. How many more are there?
On the subject, not a sigle one of my references were actually contacted prior to my being employed. I know because I asked them. So they were going by whatever databases they had access to and checked (if they actually checked)
Your theory brings up some possibilities that
a) they were not aware and somehow he hid this from the company if it is indeed true (easy enough to apply with a second passport, plenty of the cabin crew do especially those who may have been let go from other airlines)
And/or b) someone knew about it and approved him anyway, as we know the clique can be strong in the sandpit and morals are only as strong as the weakest member of the group. *if* this person had a friend on the inside at the time of application that could also explain why he got into the position he did.
So either it isn't true, the background checks are inadequate, or someone in the company is passing people through who are unsuitable. How many more are there?
On the subject, not a sigle one of my references were actually contacted prior to my being employed. I know because I asked them. So they were going by whatever databases they had access to and checked (if they actually checked)
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I have heard of someone claiming of flying in the Reserves while at EK, not a chance. Under US law employers are required to let you off with Military Leave, I doubt the same would apply while working for a foreign company.
I always wanted to meet "this guy" and ask a few questions. I could have shot him down rather quickly. I also heard he had flown an assortment of jets that made the lie completely out to lunch.
I always wanted to meet "this guy" and ask a few questions. I could have shot him down rather quickly. I also heard he had flown an assortment of jets that made the lie completely out to lunch.
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Lemme guess, relatives in Lahore, DXB is a garden spot, a man of his abilities must be in command, those folks at Delta, United and American wish they could fly for Emirates etc., etc., etc...
From past experience when an American passes up job opportunities at home to remain in an expat job there is often a back story.
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I flew with an American who flew the F-22 and went to Stanford. I forget his name but I could look it up.
He claimed he was still in the Reserves and went to Bahrain one weekend a month for Drill Weekend. I asked how he gets off that weekend and he said the US and UAE have an agreement that allows Reservist to attend Drill Weekend.
I was surprised but everything sounded in the ballpark. I never checked his claims but I wonder if this is the same guy.
A bigger question should have been what’s a guy from Stanford and was smart and good enough to fly the Raptor doing at Emirates? If I wasn’t so tired and fatigued I guess that should have set off alarm bells but at the time I didn’t really care.
He claimed he was still in the Reserves and went to Bahrain one weekend a month for Drill Weekend. I asked how he gets off that weekend and he said the US and UAE have an agreement that allows Reservist to attend Drill Weekend.
I was surprised but everything sounded in the ballpark. I never checked his claims but I wonder if this is the same guy.
A bigger question should have been what’s a guy from Stanford and was smart and good enough to fly the Raptor doing at Emirates? If I wasn’t so tired and fatigued I guess that should have set off alarm bells but at the time I didn’t really care.
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I knew a Navy pilot who went to Stanford. His name is Auburn Calloway.
He flew for Gulf Air. Not the one in the Middle East though, it was the L-188 operator in Biloxi Mississippi.
Auburn is a household name over at FedEx, just ask around.
He flew for Gulf Air. Not the one in the Middle East though, it was the L-188 operator in Biloxi Mississippi.
Auburn is a household name over at FedEx, just ask around.
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Lahore is not in India! Airbubba
Airbubba,
Lahore is a few miles on western side of Indian border, that place the concerned originally is from.
I thought to correct you & its just for your benefit & nothing more.
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Lahore is a few miles on western side of Indian border, that place the concerned originally is from.
I thought to correct you & its just for your benefit & nothing more.
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And the airlines are hiring like crazy back in the States. Why doesn't he get a job in the U.S.?
Lemme guess, relatives in Lahore, DXB is a garden spot, a man of his abilities must be in command, those folks at Delta, United and American wish they could fly for Emirates etc., etc., etc...
From past experience when an American passes up job opportunities at home to remain in an expat job there is often a back story.
Lemme guess, relatives in Lahore, DXB is a garden spot, a man of his abilities must be in command, those folks at Delta, United and American wish they could fly for Emirates etc., etc., etc...
From past experience when an American passes up job opportunities at home to remain in an expat job there is often a back story.
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Sounds like you do as well, thanks for the 'correction'.
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Xiamen: yes indeed, some of us have certainly been here long enough to recall 'The Guvnor' (aka. that nonce Neil Duncan Robertson<-- click link).
