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Old 6th Feb 2018, 07:20
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Unpaid Leave.

Got wind of a story that unpaid leave is being offered to pilots, at a UAE based airline, commencing 5 February. Pilots are being asked to bugger off for up to 18 months if I'm not mistaken. One might have thought that if cash flow is down, perhaps a better saving would be firing the various Emirati VP's of Corporate Image Fabrication, Lying in During Ramadan, Clocking in Without Going to Work, etc...?

So, has the UAE Republic of Slavery and Autocracy finally started to see it's ass? Let's hope so.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 08:20
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Well, an un-named UAE airline grounded it's A330 freighter fleet, obviously leading to a surplus of pilots.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 09:16
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And it's 772LRs wiz. Hope it works out for the pilots.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 14:55
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Nice to see the Sage of Omaha is right again and now the tide is out.....

EK was and is a business and will survive. The lads with the Louvre and QR were publicity stunts with large budgets. With the oil money gone, the stunt is gone.

Mr. Hubris, meet Mr. Nemesis.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 03:44
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Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot View Post
Nice to see the Sage of Omaha is right again and now the tide is out.....

EK was and is a business and will survive. The lads with the Louvre and QR were publicity stunts with large budgets. With the oil money gone, the stunt is gone.

Mr. Hubris, meet Mr. Nemesis.
Well said Dropp! You can add Mickey Mouse to the list as well.....
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 07:12
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Look at what happened with GF and you will have a clear picture of what the future somewhere in UAE will be after a" Visionaire" left
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 15:58
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According to Akbar of QR, his airline will be posting losses for the FY2017. They will also be announcing 10 new destinations.
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 19:27
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From Forbes magazine

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed.../#da4def12a69a
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 09:42
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ays/336347002/

EK has had a head start but QR is not merely a publicity stunt in this middle east game of thrones
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 18:40
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QNH1013,
Do you think qr has made any profit since it began operating?
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 07:32
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Originally Posted by WrldWide View Post
QNH1013,
Do you think qr has made any profit since it began operating?
$540m in fye 2017, $445 in 2016.

They’ll make a loss this year, but that should make you ponder what the motivation behind the Qatar vs GCC crisis is.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 11:52
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Originally Posted by WrldWide View Post
QNH1013,
Do you think qr has made any profit since it began operating?
They never have nor will 🤣
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 15:06
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Qr is the wealthiest of the me3, has the best product and lately better salary and working conditions, for sure they didn’t buy more than 100 A380, only a fool would and sooner or later, when ek will find herself with a ton of unsellable aircrafts the bill will arrive.
Saudia ek and ey are a bit jealous of this and are trying to fix it ( without success for the moment) ME style, the same style they use to hide accidents and incidents ( qr is similar on this one ).
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 15:17
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Several QR pilots joining EK atm.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 15:25
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
Several QR pilots joining EK atm.
Yep. 80% of them from one fleet.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 16:21
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Originally Posted by Jack330 View Post
only a fool would and sooner or later, when ek will find herself with a ton of unsellable aircrafts the bill will arrive.
Had chance to chat with EK 7th floor people (at EGHQ, not 7 paradise). He said most of EK 380 are leased from leasing companies and airbus is behind those companies. Eventually they are all airbus' problem not EK's.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 20:18
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Perhaps the American carriers could look to provide a modern customer service experience instead of the lag behind the rest quality they currently provide. Instead of bitching endlessly with their petty jealousies on show, they should address the issues withing their control. When was the last time an American airline introduced an enhanced passenger product that became accepted worldwide?

Sure EK, EY and QR are undergoing tough times right now, if they were American they might be looking to file Chapter 11 to escape their problems. Isn't Chapter 11 a form of subsidising an airline and allowing it to still fly whilst owing loads of dosh all over the place?
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IBE8720 , you need to expand your research or get your facts correct.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 08:27
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Originally Posted by IBE8720 View Post
Your not so subtle allegation that QR is subsidiesed by the government is as subtle as my assertion that EK gets the same benefit from their government.
Absolutely correct! Only a moron would believe that Qatar and the UAE are not subsidizing their airlines at every possible turn.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 10:43
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Absolutely correct! Only a moron would believe that Qatar and the UAE are not subsidizing their airlines at every possible turn.
I’m not associated with any of these airlines, but still find it a little rich that many of these airline bosses criticising the ME3 are in charge of airlines that at their inception were nationalised and had no need to make a profit whatsoever. Creating a worldwide carrier from scratch is an expensive business.

National airlines are a source of national pride, prestige and jobs in the same way as some car industries and banks that most governments (notably the USA) have no problem at all with bailing out from bankruptcy or creating unfair tariffs to protect them.
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