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Completely disagree with your statement on salary and no, this is not another defence of EK by the Cod. Any EK pilot will know what the salary is so it's not an opinion based argument. I'm sure Neptune Spear will tell us how wonderful Delta is but let's stick with Europe for this example.
I know personally of someone in BA who's done 27 years there and is a senior trainer. After tax, his take home is circa £9,000 per month. You've been here long enough to know that even a 12 year line Captain will clear way more than that. I don't give a rat's arse about what the base salary is or what tax band you're in, what bothers me is what ends up in MY bank account. As for higher quality of life, that's very subjective and dependent on your own personal circumstances so is difficult to quantify.
For some, living at 'home' on £3000 a month is better than earning five times that in the desert!
Completely disagree with your statement on salary and no, this is not another defence of EK by the Cod. Any EK pilot will know what the salary is so it's not an opinion based argument. I'm sure Neptune Spear will tell us how wonderful Delta is but let's stick with Europe for this example.
I know personally of someone in BA who's done 27 years there and is a senior trainer. After tax, his take home is circa £9,000 per month. You've been here long enough to know that even a 12 year line Captain will clear way more than that. I don't give a rat's arse about what the base salary is or what tax band you're in, what bothers me is what ends up in MY bank account. As for higher quality of life, that's very subjective and dependent on your own personal circumstances so is difficult to quantify.
For some, living at 'home' on £3000 a month is better than earning five times that in the desert!
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Well if we’re talking Europe as has been mentioned many times before there are 7-8 good airlines to work for on the continent. The rest don’t pay as much as EK but they don’t work as hard as we do and they live and work in a socialist society that doesn’t allow for blatant abuse, something that we are all to familiar with.
The 7-8 airlines that most of us would love to work for pay similar as us and work less not to mention the better QOL we all crave as Pilots. 15% less work is huge especially at the high end of hours worked. 80 hrs vs 92 hrs is a lot worse then it seems on paper then you consider 6 continents and flying at all hours of the clock that we do.
I haven’t seen BAs schedule in a while but I’m pretty sure their flights leave around the same time. The NA flying leaves mid morning while the east bound long haul leaves late. We go to NA at three separate and disparaging times. 2am 8am and 2pm. East bound the same. 2am 8am and 6pm so we as pilots are all over the place. So we are overworked overwhelmed and time zone abused.
We haven’t even talked about QF CX or the NA airlines which you alluded to have it pretty good. If you as a trainer bring home 50,000 dhs I personally would rather have the 9,000 quid at BA but obviously that’s not an option so I will in my fog based mind dream of the unattainable.
The 7-8 airlines that most of us would love to work for pay similar as us and work less not to mention the better QOL we all crave as Pilots. 15% less work is huge especially at the high end of hours worked. 80 hrs vs 92 hrs is a lot worse then it seems on paper then you consider 6 continents and flying at all hours of the clock that we do.
I haven’t seen BAs schedule in a while but I’m pretty sure their flights leave around the same time. The NA flying leaves mid morning while the east bound long haul leaves late. We go to NA at three separate and disparaging times. 2am 8am and 2pm. East bound the same. 2am 8am and 6pm so we as pilots are all over the place. So we are overworked overwhelmed and time zone abused.
We haven’t even talked about QF CX or the NA airlines which you alluded to have it pretty good. If you as a trainer bring home 50,000 dhs I personally would rather have the 9,000 quid at BA but obviously that’s not an option so I will in my fog based mind dream of the unattainable.
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what you guys expect ?
A shiny world and not to pay for ?
I for myself decided to move me and my company out now. with all the hidden taxes like DEWA and SALIK, it is not feasible anymore.
not to speak about the legal in UAE.
You have fun if it comes to this.
H3DXB
A shiny world and not to pay for ?
I for myself decided to move me and my company out now. with all the hidden taxes like DEWA and SALIK, it is not feasible anymore.
not to speak about the legal in UAE.
You have fun if it comes to this.
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If anyone thinks things are going to drastically change , keep dreaming! Profit share LOL, big pay raise LOL , 15 % reduction in monthly hours LOL . Leave awarded LOL. Management that cares !!! LOL
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We'll get profit share and we'll get a pay rise, although it might not be as big as we'd want or deserve. Caring management? Well, they have been helpful to me in my time here as they have for close friends of mine with family issues/health. Very supportive in fact. If you're an asshole, expect to be treated like one.
As for the monthly hours and leave.....probably going to agree with you on that.
Harry
We'll get profit share and we'll get a pay rise, although it might not be as big as we'd want or deserve. Caring management? Well, they have been helpful to me in my time here as they have for close friends of mine with family issues/health. Very supportive in fact. If you're an asshole, expect to be treated like one.
As for the monthly hours and leave.....probably going to agree with you on that.
Harry
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Here since 2010 and still unhappy?
Mate, I'm not naive enough to realise that AAR & TC make decisions here that our management have no control over but if you're reasonable with them and pick your battles, the results are far less confrontational. Unfortunately, some people feel the need to fight every one. Sad too that you've not heard of at least one positive tale in your unhappy time here. I'm not going to do the details but a close friend of ours had his wife diagnosed with some rare and serious cancer. He went to see his CP & the Company give him unconditional time off, as well as covering all of the very expensive treatment for her abroad. FJ, Boeing manager, has been great as was CPB. This is not an isolated case.
As I said, if you're an asshole, they'll treat you like one.
Harry
Here since 2010 and still unhappy?
Mate, I'm not naive enough to realise that AAR & TC make decisions here that our management have no control over but if you're reasonable with them and pick your battles, the results are far less confrontational. Unfortunately, some people feel the need to fight every one. Sad too that you've not heard of at least one positive tale in your unhappy time here. I'm not going to do the details but a close friend of ours had his wife diagnosed with some rare and serious cancer. He went to see his CP & the Company give him unconditional time off, as well as covering all of the very expensive treatment for her abroad. FJ, Boeing manager, has been great as was CPB. This is not an isolated case.
As I said, if you're an asshole, they'll treat you like one.
Harry
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fatbus
We'll get profit share and we'll get a pay rise, although it might not be as big as we'd want or deserve. Caring management? Well, they have been helpful to me in my time here as they have for close friends of mine with family issues/health. Very supportive in fact. If you're an asshole, expect to be treated like one.
As for the monthly hours and leave.....probably going to agree with you on that.
Harry
We'll get profit share and we'll get a pay rise, although it might not be as big as we'd want or deserve. Caring management? Well, they have been helpful to me in my time here as they have for close friends of mine with family issues/health. Very supportive in fact. If you're an asshole, expect to be treated like one.
As for the monthly hours and leave.....probably going to agree with you on that.
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Quote: He went to see his CP & the Company give him unconditional time off, as well as covering all of the very expensive treatment for her abroad. FJ, Boeing manager, has been great as was CPB. This is not an isolated case.
He will get his warning letter from the same people who gave him now unconditional time off
Harry better play with your Bentley!
He will get his warning letter from the same people who gave him now unconditional time off
Harry better play with your Bentley!
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Another one of your completely pointless and childish posts. You're consistent, I'll give you that.
So, my question again. When are you leaving this airline you despise so much?
Harry
Another one of your completely pointless and childish posts. You're consistent, I'll give you that.
So, my question again. When are you leaving this airline you despise so much?
Harry
The point is Harry although commendable the helpful behavior you describe is perfectly normal in most companies in Europe & not only airlines, some locos excepted no doubt . It really shouldn’t be viewed as exceptional & remember if more than 12 mts sick your employment is terminated and you’re out on the street .. not so helpful perhaps .
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I agree, and that was the reason for the post.
We can all be quick to criticise at times, often justified, but I think credit should be given where due. I don't think it's reasonable that those managers who do a commendable job should be tarred with the same brush as the lazy and incompetent ones.
Harry
I agree, and that was the reason for the post.
We can all be quick to criticise at times, often justified, but I think credit should be given where due. I don't think it's reasonable that those managers who do a commendable job should be tarred with the same brush as the lazy and incompetent ones.
Harry
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Harry, I am sure there is some truth in what you say but most of the managers who are willing and able to do 'commendable' work lack the authority to make the necessary decisions - and are invariably rebuffed by those above them.
