Things to ponder when considering EK
What goes up, I think for those looking, you make a fair point from your perspective.
Perspective, it’s a funny old thing as they say. From my perspective I’d argue our training and checking department are just as complicit as our moronic and short sighted management, to me it is an individuals’ choice as to why they continue to maintain the charade that they the “trainers” are just like the rest of us on the line. To me the calculus is rather obvious, if you are intergral to imparting and enforcing policy in a training role you have sided with your own self interest and are completely fine with the house of cards as it crumbles down around you one card at a time.
Perspective being what it is, I’m certain many will disagree with me, but when asked directly by MM a number of years ago why I wasn’t yet involved in training I gave him my honest assessment of his department, his management and the people he was directly responsible for, I also made a number of predictions related to the standards of line pilots v the standard of trainers and how that will only continue in one certain direction. We have had virtually no contact since that day.
Perspective, it’s a funny old thing as they say. From my perspective I’d argue our training and checking department are just as complicit as our moronic and short sighted management, to me it is an individuals’ choice as to why they continue to maintain the charade that they the “trainers” are just like the rest of us on the line. To me the calculus is rather obvious, if you are intergral to imparting and enforcing policy in a training role you have sided with your own self interest and are completely fine with the house of cards as it crumbles down around you one card at a time.
Perspective being what it is, I’m certain many will disagree with me, but when asked directly by MM a number of years ago why I wasn’t yet involved in training I gave him my honest assessment of his department, his management and the people he was directly responsible for, I also made a number of predictions related to the standards of line pilots v the standard of trainers and how that will only continue in one certain direction. We have had virtually no contact since that day.
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Terrible mosquitos in MRU!!
I have a friend who has a friend who spent 6 hours on the bus to the LAX hotel.
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Don't blame the trainers, nor the examiners if they don't lower the bar
You can't effectively train what you don't master yourself. Especially if you don't even know that you don't master it.
A lot of trainers are now part of the problem and have become complicit with the ugly local race to the bottom.
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Not blaming them, but how do you want to lower the bar below 400 hours on type after upgrade to become a trainer ..... ?
You can't effectively train what you don't master yourself. Especially if you don't even know that you don't master it.
A lot of trainers are now part of the problem and have become complicit with the ugly local race to the bottom.
You can't effectively train what you don't master yourself. Especially if you don't even know that you don't master it.
A lot of trainers are now part of the problem and have become complicit with the ugly local race to the bottom.
Mitigating the threats would be adjusting the EK T and Cs to retain their pilots. A total net loss in pilot numbers last year when those joining were outnumbered by those leaving. By stopping pilots leaving with a improved package and conditions, training requirements would fall dramatically, and low houred trainers would not be needed.
So what is happening now is not mitigating risk. It's trying to make the best of the position they backed themselves into.
So what is happening now is not mitigating risk. It's trying to make the best of the position they backed themselves into.
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Mitigating the threats would be adjusting the EK T and Cs to retain their pilots. A total net loss in pilot numbers last year when those joining were outnumbered by those leaving. By stopping pilots leaving with a improved package and conditions, training requirements would fall dramatically, and low houred trainers would not be needed.
So what is happening now is not mitigating risk. It's trying to make the best of the position they backed themselves into.
So what is happening now is not mitigating risk. It's trying to make the best of the position they backed themselves into.
Don't take me wrong. I am not trying to defend malpractice here. I am just saying that the shooting is often going into the wrong direction (training).
It's like the pax that is held back by Security, has problems at check-in, didn't get the miles upgrade that he was asking for and lots of other things not working and then offloads at the flight attendants, just because they are available.
I am just saying that the shooting is often going into the wrong direction (training).
Don, if what you are saying is true on the 777, how are they even keeping up?
It is true Monach. The reduction of flights and parking of aircraft got them through. The hiring of a bit over 800 this year is the future. They have it well in hand, nothing to see here.
Exactly. Only need 80 new bodies a month. A walk in the park.
short flights long nights
80 new bodies a month? Does that include replacing the bodies that continue to walk out the door?
What does all this training cost?
What does it cost compared to the cost of making it a place where people want to stay, and experienced pilots want to come to...just like in "the good old days".
They really are a bunch of muppets.
What does all this training cost?
What does it cost compared to the cost of making it a place where people want to stay, and experienced pilots want to come to...just like in "the good old days".
They really are a bunch of muppets.
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GIG can't be thaaat bad huh?
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Joining and Upgrade Bond
Hello everyone!! (no, I am not him)
I talked recently with an FO that did not pass his upgrade. Nice fellow. I was not aware that the upgrade bond applied even if one did not pass the course. Because, obviously, they gave one a type rating (and another bit to get back to the right seat), but one has been useless and is not going to use it through no fault of the company. He asked in the office, and the nice lady in abaya told him that if the company considers good will and he decides to leave earlier than two years, they MAY waive it. Or they may not..., your guess.
So this is yet ANOTHER HEADS UP FOR NEW JOINERS, who think they can not fail stuff in this company because they never failed anything before. YES, YOU CAN.
And I am not even sure what happens with the joining bond if one fails the joining course.
The waters have settled well, after (lots of) recent stuff.
3 man ULR seems a problem of the past, when in reality we are starting to do it next week.
Mr B. is trying (I genuinely think he is) to communicate more. But I am afraid that's not going to bring much. Some SAA and next door chaps will try and join in secondment. Let's see if that works and if it solves anything.
Other issues seem long gone problems. Most of them due to lack of crew. THEY ARE STILL THERE. Worth taking a look at the thread start, but just as a snack:
-Work-life balance gone
-Punitive Culture
-Annual leave & Rostering. Request anything. Get anything else.
-Loss of real income (massive Dubai inflation, no salary increase)
-The random and exciting ways in which contract is breached or changed (age to upgrade changes shafted many)
-Demotions, failed upgrades, wrong training mentality, surprise line-checks
-Accomodation (can not opt out once in company accomodation, example of breach of contract)
-New customs rules (can't bring alcohol and other stuff as crew)
-Hotels by the airport, not in the city.
Point being... think twice before joining. It is far easier not to join than to leave. Specially if you are all bonded.
This used to be a star job. More like a white dwarf now.
Cheers.
Desert Witch
I talked recently with an FO that did not pass his upgrade. Nice fellow. I was not aware that the upgrade bond applied even if one did not pass the course. Because, obviously, they gave one a type rating (and another bit to get back to the right seat), but one has been useless and is not going to use it through no fault of the company. He asked in the office, and the nice lady in abaya told him that if the company considers good will and he decides to leave earlier than two years, they MAY waive it. Or they may not..., your guess.
So this is yet ANOTHER HEADS UP FOR NEW JOINERS, who think they can not fail stuff in this company because they never failed anything before. YES, YOU CAN.
And I am not even sure what happens with the joining bond if one fails the joining course.
The waters have settled well, after (lots of) recent stuff.
3 man ULR seems a problem of the past, when in reality we are starting to do it next week.
Mr B. is trying (I genuinely think he is) to communicate more. But I am afraid that's not going to bring much. Some SAA and next door chaps will try and join in secondment. Let's see if that works and if it solves anything.
Other issues seem long gone problems. Most of them due to lack of crew. THEY ARE STILL THERE. Worth taking a look at the thread start, but just as a snack:
-Work-life balance gone
-Punitive Culture
-Annual leave & Rostering. Request anything. Get anything else.
-Loss of real income (massive Dubai inflation, no salary increase)
-The random and exciting ways in which contract is breached or changed (age to upgrade changes shafted many)
-Demotions, failed upgrades, wrong training mentality, surprise line-checks
-Accomodation (can not opt out once in company accomodation, example of breach of contract)
-New customs rules (can't bring alcohol and other stuff as crew)
-Hotels by the airport, not in the city.
Point being... think twice before joining. It is far easier not to join than to leave. Specially if you are all bonded.
This used to be a star job. More like a white dwarf now.
Cheers.
Desert Witch
