Job satisfaction in Qatar Airways
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Well, in Qatar airways if they quit you is usually for a reason, otherwise, if you do your job in a professional way, nobody will ever say a thing, all the termination in the past happened after a series of events related to the individuals, the last case is a bit of an exception, the two guys on the A350 that stayed 49 minutes without listening to the radio over Europe and if I'm not wrong, have been intercepted by some fighters but similar cases happened in emirates and other me airlines as well and they ended up with some warning letters or something. True that there's a busy turnaround, like everywhere else at the moment but there are pilots that joined 18 years ago and are still here.
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Well, in Qatar airways if they quit you is usually for a reason, otherwise, if you do your job in a professional way, nobody will ever say a thing, all the termination in the past happened after a series of events related to the individuals, the last case is a bit of an exception, the two guys on the A350 that stayed 49 minutes without listening to the radio over Europe and if I'm not wrong, have been intercepted by some fighters but similar cases happened in emirates and other me airlines as well and they ended up with some warning letters or something. True that there's a busy turnaround, like everywhere else at the moment but there are pilots that joined 18 years ago and are still here.
I am am sorry but I disagree..!! The number of pilots left or currently leaving its many times more than those few staying.. I wonder if anyone is monitoring the cost of this continuous process.. quitting 7 captain per day and I mean quitting not fired that a lot..!!
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Where do you get that number of 7 per day?
That is 35 per week, or 140 per month or 1780 per year. QR would only have about 2-2200 Captians at any one time (I will try and find out an exact number). So almost the entire CPT population turns over in a year? Either way, I think your numbers are grossly exagerated.
The reason I say that is because the Master Roster does not reflect your statement. I watch the Master Roster on the A320, and you would be lucky if you counted 7 Captains leaving over a couple of months let alone every day.
That is 35 per week, or 140 per month or 1780 per year. QR would only have about 2-2200 Captians at any one time (I will try and find out an exact number). So almost the entire CPT population turns over in a year? Either way, I think your numbers are grossly exagerated.
The reason I say that is because the Master Roster does not reflect your statement. I watch the Master Roster on the A320, and you would be lucky if you counted 7 Captains leaving over a couple of months let alone every day.
WHY? All of them bad professionals?
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Half the time what people post on this forum is pure speculation, even 'knowing a mate' who works for the company is hardly factual information... I guess it's a rumour network after all!
7 pilot resignations a day is pure nonsense though... yes you tend to find people come to the Middle East/Qatar for a finite period of time, get what they need and leave... but since I've been in the company ... resignations haven't been as high as what I was lead to believe. And besides its regularly said that you find certain nationalities tend to stay - they have nowhere else to go - they are from war-torn or third world countries where safety is an issue or the pay just damm low.
7 pilot resignations a day is pure nonsense though... yes you tend to find people come to the Middle East/Qatar for a finite period of time, get what they need and leave... but since I've been in the company ... resignations haven't been as high as what I was lead to believe. And besides its regularly said that you find certain nationalities tend to stay - they have nowhere else to go - they are from war-torn or third world countries where safety is an issue or the pay just damm low.
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Adolf... what are you smoking??? Looking at the master roster for the entire fleet, there are about 10 guys who have resigned/terminated/retired this month. I have been keeping an eye on this for a while and it's about 7-10 a month... not a day! Overall, its pretty good over here. Depending on which fleet you are on and how you bid can determine the lifestyle you have. Doha isn't the most exciting place on earth but if you make an effort to make a few friends outside of QR, it's not too bad. Different strokes for different folks i guess......
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4 EK captains interviewing in QR this week. That pretty much sums it all up.
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PS “7 quitting per day” haven’t read so much BS in my life...
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PS “7 quitting per day” haven’t read so much BS in my life...
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I am am sorry but I disagree..!! The number of pilots left or currently leaving its many times more than those few staying.. I wonder if anyone is monitoring the cost of this continuous process.. quitting 7 captain per day and I mean quitting not fired that a lot..!!
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Adolf... what are you smoking??? Looking at the master roster for the entire fleet, there are about 10 guys who have resigned/terminated/retired this month. I have been keeping an eye on this for a while and it's about 7-10 a month... not a day! Overall, its pretty good over here. Depending on which fleet you are on and how you bid can determine the lifestyle you have. Doha isn't the most exciting place on earth but if you make an effort to make a few friends outside of QR, it's not too bad. Different strokes for different folks i guess......
I am not smoking (not nice) by the way.. sorry I must understood wrong 7 a month it is then..!! Is this ok for the size of the Airline? (7 pilots per month in Lufthansa it would be impossible)alright guys I am pulling out ..my apologies, I didn’t mean to upset you but there are a lot of rumours out there..where there is no smoke there is no fire...Have a good time down there but be careful the big brothers it’s watching and it might call you at the office to “pull your ear”..or give you a letter for nothing and this is not a rumour it is the reality..!! Good day to all of you and happy landings.
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7 resignations a day? You better return from that Amsterdam layover quickly mate Hahaha!
As long as you stay updated, follow the rules and fly the airplane properly, treat people with respect despite cultural differences and use common sense, no one is going to sack you. If you get called after a bad day and can show that you tried to stick to the book and used common sense, they'll thank you and close the case.
People are nice, money and rosters are very competitive, schools etc are good. Not a bad gig at all in my opinion.
Many friends went to Norwegian but will have to come back soon due to the economical situation of Norwegian.
As long as you stay updated, follow the rules and fly the airplane properly, treat people with respect despite cultural differences and use common sense, no one is going to sack you. If you get called after a bad day and can show that you tried to stick to the book and used common sense, they'll thank you and close the case.
People are nice, money and rosters are very competitive, schools etc are good. Not a bad gig at all in my opinion.
Many friends went to Norwegian but will have to come back soon due to the economical situation of Norwegian.
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Information about one former colleague and good acquaintance.
North American pilot who lost his job in a bankruptcy.
Goes to large and well known asian carrier with a very high profile and good reputation for a number of years, leaves just before the carrier kicks out all of the expats.
Works for another large asian carrier, known to be a little rough on their foreign employees and has a constant intake of foreigners because they all seem to leave.
Leaves for Qatar.
Says it's OK, but pollution is a problem.
States that this will be his last gig.
All in all, I get the impression from him that it is an OK job, not a lousy job, but not a great job either.
North American pilot who lost his job in a bankruptcy.
Goes to large and well known asian carrier with a very high profile and good reputation for a number of years, leaves just before the carrier kicks out all of the expats.
Works for another large asian carrier, known to be a little rough on their foreign employees and has a constant intake of foreigners because they all seem to leave.
Leaves for Qatar.
Says it's OK, but pollution is a problem.
States that this will be his last gig.
All in all, I get the impression from him that it is an OK job, not a lousy job, but not a great job either.
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7 per month, so 1 pilot of each fleet per month?
So 84 per year, out of over 3,000. So less than 3% attrtition per year?
5-10% per year is what is expected.
A recruiter in EK told me there attrition rate is 5% per month.
So can I now ask, what is your point other than just embarrassing yourself?
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once again i ask, where are you getting yor highly exaggerated/inflated numbers from then?
If you don’t have access to the Master Roster, than you don’t work at QR.
Probably from EK, and trying to bring QR down to make your own life more tolerable. You should join, its a good job.
And if 1700 Captains were resigning per year as you suggest, why are they stopping DEC recruitment for the remainder of the year?
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DECs in the talent pool received an email a few days ago saying that the company currently doesn't have any plans to hire DECs and they will advise if any opportunity comes up.
So apparently QR is not planning on hiring DEC in the near future.
So apparently QR is not planning on hiring DEC in the near future.
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Same email I’ve received then. Thanks mate.
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To the TO. As a former QR skipper(left running in 2009) I can tell you - this airline has as many issues (if not even more) then their southern neighbours. After all A.B. is still in power and that old pilot hater just had to increase the T&C's otherwise they would NEVER expand because they lost more pilots then they could hire.
I guess now, with the blockage, business is slowing down, so less need for DEC's(and you can keep you FO's happy by upgrading them). Even Emirates is parking aircraft, might hurt QR eventually as well being hated by all it's neighbours(surprise, such lovely memories I have to that place on the sun ^^).
QR has a lot of issues. As far as I heard they still fire people for stupid reasons, so be prepared. The "package" may have improved but their mindset will never.
I guess now, with the blockage, business is slowing down, so less need for DEC's(and you can keep you FO's happy by upgrading them). Even Emirates is parking aircraft, might hurt QR eventually as well being hated by all it's neighbours(surprise, such lovely memories I have to that place on the sun ^^).
QR has a lot of issues. As far as I heard they still fire people for stupid reasons, so be prepared. The "package" may have improved but their mindset will never.