EK 40k $ bond for Captain Upgrades
In said post, he writes that he has been working at United Airlines for 3 years...
(But that could be fake news.)
Bonding pilots that upgrade to the big shiny jets with the best of all contracts in the best of all cities??!!
They must be really convinced of their "industry leading T&Cs and lifestyle".
(But that could be fake news.)
Bonding pilots that upgrade to the big shiny jets with the best of all contracts in the best of all cities??!!
They must be really convinced of their "industry leading T&Cs and lifestyle".
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I'm waiting for the new ads..."I'm a girly girl or I'm a guy who likes sitting around with my mates..and we love it here so much that when we got our upgrade they bonded us for a few years to make sure we kept feeling the love......"
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Make it 10 years, people will still sign on the dotted line.
Maybe a few less, but the left seat of a shiny wide body jet and 9 days off a month seems to work just fine.
FO’s are still scared to call in sick or fatigued because it will impact their ability for command. Add in a few more years on a bond? No problemo.
Don’t worry, after 6 months in the left seat they will sign another 2yrs bond to become trainers!
Maybe a few less, but the left seat of a shiny wide body jet and 9 days off a month seems to work just fine.
FO’s are still scared to call in sick or fatigued because it will impact their ability for command. Add in a few more years on a bond? No problemo.
Don’t worry, after 6 months in the left seat they will sign another 2yrs bond to become trainers!
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It’s all rather simple really, I can imagine the meetings on the 3rd and 8th floors that preceded what has become policy, an amalgamation of hubris, stupidity and of course Middle Eastern anger and frustration at the gall shown by their slaves errr ungrateful employees who have decided that being an employee isn’t for them anymore.
People of free thought, in this case non bonded Captains can see this for what it is, yet another moment that they have missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
You couldn’t make it up, it’s laughable in its incompetence.
People of free thought, in this case non bonded Captains can see this for what it is, yet another moment that they have missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
You couldn’t make it up, it’s laughable in its incompetence.
As the bond becomes active after passing the Lst .... what happens if you are unsuccessful before the course is fully completed e.g during the Loe or line training ? .
Surely the bond should be annulled ?
.... but is it .. ?
Surely the bond should be annulled ?
.... but is it .. ?
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EK! thought it would be my final move! If I had my time back I would avoid being a Pilot altogether, Airlines have driven T & C to the bottom of the barrel, treated like dogs now, its sad, used to be I felt proud to be a professional, I still do, but I would be embarrassed to describe in full my lot to colleagues, no respect, just a continuous drive by petty managers to erode your career, EK was the worst in my opinion, hard work, TRE who had no idea what the word "training" meant, not all but a good portion, mgmt, say no more, clowns!Culture, non existent, climate, phew! package, not great, back in the real world now and could not be happier, focus on life, family, wife , kids , friends etc and self esteem! its great to have it all back, good luck EK and wake up!!!
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This is the way our careers should end boys & girls.
Cap tipped to SWA & the others stateside that treat their people well.
What a shambles they have created here in Dubai.
https://worldairlinenews.com/2017/11/29/video-southwest-airlines-captain-flies-final-flight-with-two-sons/
Cap tipped to SWA & the others stateside that treat their people well.
What a shambles they have created here in Dubai.
https://worldairlinenews.com/2017/11/29/video-southwest-airlines-captain-flies-final-flight-with-two-sons/
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And it could be the greatest job in the world.....
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The upgrade bond is a disgrace and of course I don't agree with it, but unfortunately this is the Middle East, where management can do whatever they want. Trying to change anything is impossible here, even by making a statement by not singing the bond and being removed from the upgrade course. If you refuse, someone else is waiting to take your place. So why would you risk anything? It's not Europe, USA or Australia where you are protected by laws and unions.
The upgrade bond doesn't affect me, but I fully understand that people will sign it.
I didn't agree with other policies that affected me and even though I tried, I couldn't change anything. I could either accept it or leave. I took the second option. And I do hope that more people will choose the same option, because that might be the only way for management to see how wrong they are.
FO’s are still scared to call in sick or fatigued because it will impact their ability for command. Add in a few more years on a bond? No problemo.
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Picture yourself in their position, would you turn down your own upgrade? You would be jeopardising your own career.
The upgrade bond is a disgrace and of course I don't agree with it, but unfortunately this is the Middle East, where management can do whatever they want. Trying to change anything is impossible here, even by making a statement by not singing the bond and being removed from the upgrade course. If you refuse, someone else is waiting to take your place. So why would you risk anything? It's not Europe, USA or Australia where you are protected by laws and unions.
The upgrade bond doesn't affect me, but I fully understand that people will sign it.
I didn't agree with other policies that affected me and even though I tried, I couldn't change anything. I could either accept it or leave. I took the second option. And I do hope that more people will choose the same option, because that might be the only way for management to see how wrong they are.
A result of the, according management non-existent, fear culture.
The upgrade bond is a disgrace and of course I don't agree with it, but unfortunately this is the Middle East, where management can do whatever they want. Trying to change anything is impossible here, even by making a statement by not singing the bond and being removed from the upgrade course. If you refuse, someone else is waiting to take your place. So why would you risk anything? It's not Europe, USA or Australia where you are protected by laws and unions.
The upgrade bond doesn't affect me, but I fully understand that people will sign it.
I didn't agree with other policies that affected me and even though I tried, I couldn't change anything. I could either accept it or leave. I took the second option. And I do hope that more people will choose the same option, because that might be the only way for management to see how wrong they are.
A result of the, according management non-existent, fear culture.
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The unmentionable down the road is already doing it gents.
Get yourself ready and leave golden age is over in the sandpit.Safety will be affected but it is like when you sell your car and you get a phone call with the fella on the other side offering you 50%less than your price...or when you want to save on your car service and you get a sxxxxy job,eventually the car breaks and you have to spend more to get the job properly done.You get what you pay....
Cheap cheap cheap
Get yourself ready and leave golden age is over in the sandpit.Safety will be affected but it is like when you sell your car and you get a phone call with the fella on the other side offering you 50%less than your price...or when you want to save on your car service and you get a sxxxxy job,eventually the car breaks and you have to spend more to get the job properly done.You get what you pay....
Cheap cheap cheap
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Bus says, "if you refuse, someone else is waiting to take your place".
That's the whole problem of this profession, nobody cares about the others and the pilot group. That's why this career is the way it is.
And if someone gets a call from Delta, is that bond going to stop him from leaving? I don't think so.
That's the whole problem of this profession, nobody cares about the others and the pilot group. That's why this career is the way it is.
And if someone gets a call from Delta, is that bond going to stop him from leaving? I don't think so.
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All the things FlexOnTheBeach mentioned are true:
The toxic environment, the punitive culture of management, the knee-jerk reactions ("oh it was the PM's fault, let's beat all PMs with a stick and employ eye-tracking technology in the simulators, that will solve it"), and the constantly changing rules affecting our careers - all these things make the place ridiculous to work for. Add to that the coming VAT, no pay increase the last few years, no "profit-sharing" despite making profits - what incentive is there to stick around? A bond won't work, and now you just showed the pilot group that management does not care about improving or correcting the issues at hand, but will instead PUNISH you further for leaving.
-A deterioration of flying skills because of a too restrictive automation policy and previously mentioned punitive culture.
-Training focussed on checking.
If you can live with it, if your reasons outweigh those facts or if it's worse at your current/previous employer, than yes, EK could be a great place to work as pilot.
But all the above mentioned issues created by management are now backfiring. They created the, what you call, "desperate times desperate measures", not the pilots.
It's just like Ryanair: If you don't treat your pilots well, they will leave once there are other option.
Was flying for EK a waste of time? Absolutely not. I gained valuable experience and got a very good salary on top of it. But just like many others, I couldn't tolerate it anymore.
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To borrow your overused cliche, ‘Desperate times call for desperate measures.’ So too, desperate and highly expirenced skippers leave bleak conditions for more fertile grounds...
Each year when birds migrate south to escape the winter, do you also blame the birds for migrating to escape those frozen and inhospitable conditions?
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