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Old 30th Nov 2017, 18:22
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There's no way a proper enclosed suite would fit on a A380. The ceiling is so low that if you enclosed it the space would look like those Daily Mail articles about the basement hole where the nice-neighbour-who-kept-to-himself held a sex slave captive for 7 years. Not good for the brochures.
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There's no way a proper enclosed suite would fit on a A380. The ceiling is so low that if you enclosed it the space would look like those Daily Mail articles about the basement hole where the nice-neighbour-who-kept-to-himself held a sex slave captive for 7 years. Not good for the brochures.
Brillent! Thanks for the good laugh.
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June 5, 2018 / 1:34 AM / Updated 8 hours ago

A decade after debut, first A380 jumbos to be broken up


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SYDNEY (Reuters) - A German investment company said on Tuesday it would strip two unwanted Airbus A380 superjumbo passenger jets for parts after failing to find an airline willing to keep them flying following a decision by Singapore Airlines not to keep them in service.

The decision by Dortmund-based Dr Peters Group deals a fresh blow to the planemaker’s efforts to maintain market interest in the double-decker, barely 10 years after it went into service hailed by heads of state as a symbol of European ambition.

“Psychologically it is not good for Airbus, but this is a very large aircraft with a very small second-hand market,” said UK-based aerospace analyst Howard Wheeldon.

Despite strong reviews for its quiet and spacious cabin, demand for the 544-seater has fallen as many airlines drop the industry’s largest four-engined aircraft in favor of smaller twin-engined ones that are more efficient, and easier to fill.

“It’s too big. There was a battle for airline fashions and it lost out,” Wheeldon said.

Airbus says the iconic jet will eventually prove itself as travel demand saturates airport capacity at major cities.

“We can’t comment on the decision by Dr Peters, which is the owner of the aircraft,” an Airbus spokesman said.

“We remain confident in the secondary market for the A380 and the potential to extend the operator base.”

Singapore Airlines launched A380 services amid fanfare in December 2007, but returned the first two aircraft to their German financiers when leases expired some 10 years later.

The two discarded aircraft were repainted and flown to Tarbes in the French Pyrenees to be stored, and since then their fate has been uncertain as their owner looked for other “After extensive as well as intensive negotiations with various airlines such as British Airways, HiFly and IranAir, Dr Peters Group has decided to sell the aircraft components and will recommend this approach to its investors,” the company said in a statement emailed to Reuters.

Airbus has been working for months to try to stimulate a second-hand market for the A380 to encourage new airlines to take the risk of investing in the plane, knowing the asset would be worth the right amount when they decide to sell it on.

When it was launched, the A380 boasted highly customized interiors to help airlines promote a luxury feel, but the cost of replacing such bespoke fittings is now seen as a handicap.

“The problem is the cost of reconfiguration. It is $40 million or more per plane,” a senior industry source said.

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The planes will not be scrapped entirely, but their huge frames will be combed for valuable components such as landing gears and electronics, a Dr Peters official told Reuters.

Their engines have already been removed and leased back to manufacturer Rolls-Royce (RR.L) for use as spares.

U.S.-based VAS Aero Services will be responsible for extracting and selling parts.

Dr Peters said the deal would yield a positive return for investors in funds used to finance the jets. It operates a number of boutique funds targeted at wealthy individuals and has two more A380s in Singapore that could face the same fate.

While dismantling the first two passenger-carrying A380s will embarrass Airbus and dismay the plane’s 3,800 workers, later examples of the flagship jet may not be as vulnerable.

Early copies of a new plane tend to be less efficient and Singapore Airlines recently ordered some new A380s. However, overall demand is thinner than Airbus expected, forcing it to slow production to a trickle while looking for more business.

Still, Emirates, the largest A380 customer, is keeping faith with the jet which brings millions of passengers a year through its Dubai hub and is associated with the airline’s global brand.

Throwing the loss-making program a lifeline for a decade, Emirates recently ordered up to 36 more A380s and set out plans on Tuesday to install 56 Premium Economy seats.

Reporting by Tim Hepher; editing by Mark Potter and Jason Neely
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Saw another all white frame in Singapore yesterday.

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Old 6th Jun 2018, 07:52
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Originally Posted by halas
Saw another all white frame in Singapore yesterday.

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I believe they are retiring 5 frames and taking on 5 new onrs which means their A380s will remain the same.

Wonder of this white one belongs to the German company as well.

P.S The same company leased 5 A380s to AF and 4 B777s to EK.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 15:12
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380 orders

can someone explain to me why they would buying more aircraft only to park them in DWC?.. Oh I get it the more they park the more the airline looks busy as if its making money...smoke and mirrors amazing
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 15:18
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Could be that there is a significant efficiency difference between old 3 class models and lattest 2 class a380?
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 22:12
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Singapore has long kept a relatively young fleet and avoids doing heavy maintenance such as 'D' checks. This is nothing new - they been doing that with their passenger fleet for decades. While it's true the newer A380s are somewhat lighter than the early build and hence more efficient (something that's pretty common on any commercial aircraft), I think the over-riding concern is that Singapore doesn't like to operate older aircraft (at least for passenger service - they tend to hang on to freighter aircraft much longer). The A380s that Singapore is returning are coming off lease - assuming they're meeting the return requirements for the aircraft, it doesn't cost them anything to give them back to the lease company.
What is new is that apparently nobody is particularly interested in obtaining Singapore used A380 aircraft.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 22:58
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Does anyone have a ballpark idea of the asked price for a flyworthy retired 10y SQ a380?
I understand you can't buy the engines anyway?
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Originally Posted by atakacs
Could be that there is a significant efficiency difference between old 3 class models and lattest 2 class a380?
So efficient that my flight to BKK yesterday had 15 in business and about 110 in economy...
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What is new is that apparently nobody is particularly interested in obtaining Singapore used A380 aircraft.
plus what is more telling is that Singapore does not buy the same category aircraft as replacement.
They go "two legs good, four legs bad", as many have always predicted.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 05:56
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So efficient that my flight to BKK yesterday had 15 in business and about 110 in economy...
the loads should be more of a concern than what aircraft is operating the sector.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 06:10
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Gloie SQ replaced their 380s with that double twin, the 380.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 07:35
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Ah, i see. Just as efficient as any quarter pounded VP position at EK is enhanced with a local twin VP ....
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That's the one.
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