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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 02:15
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thy new recruitment for expats

Hi guys, after a very sad year 2016, it looks like THY is back to recruitment process thanks to very good profit this year.

But the main issue looks like they still pay in turkish lira and due to a collapsing turkish currency what they offered to pilots is an extreme low salary in euros
less than 7000 euros per month for the 777 long haul captains...

Did anyone apply recently for the position and got some updates about maybe some better conditions in the future?
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 05:07
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I have been trying to get information as well , specifically the roster pattern for the 777 captains . Hitting a brick wall trying to find a few . Any help or ideas guys / gals ?
For the pay I believe it's about 40,000 average over the year , with a very weak rumour of going to a euro pay. Not much hope of that I am sure .
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 07:36
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The reason they recruit again are that so many are still leaving, even more that the were downsizing.
The issues persist. The money is less now. Your call.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 11:14
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I know the money . And yes my call , hence after a look at a roster .
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 14:43
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Originally Posted by thatwasclose
... with a very weak rumour of going to a euro pay..
No chance of that because they are not Europeans, in case you would have missed it
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 16:20
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They have never stopped recruiting ex-pats, but the need is more urgent now with approx 120 pilots going back to the military by order of the President. There will be approx 220 Turkish pilots spread across the carriers returning to military service in 3 waves over the next 12 months . The lira is all time low and the rosters on the 737 are hard, the 777 is more favourable according to some recent joiners whom jumped ship from THY.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 18:37
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To my knowledge not 40 000 TL as average per month, but around 36 500! For a long haul Captain!
At 4,35 TL/euro right now, it's 8390 euros/month!
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 20:07
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Avenger:

They did stop recruiting expat during 2016; Your information on this point is totally wrong.

40000 TL is extremely rare, it happens when you work more than 90 hours a month. and it is a gross salary, thy pilots are paying taxes unlike pilots in Qatar, EK or EY.

In only one year, expats thy pilots went from a parity of 3.30 to 4.35 with the euro;

it means a real challenge for thy now to recruit whereas the turkish carrier is getting one of its best year in terms of profit. New airport in Istanbul is about to start its operation end of 2018 . they need to eventually do something else to attract experienced expats pilots.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 09:09
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In the sandpit a 777 captain makes almost twice as much, if in training much more. It's going to be interesting to see how they attract people after the way they've been treating their pilots.

Even local guys flying widebody in their home country are trying to get out as soon as possible, which should be an indication of how much room for improvement there is
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Kobus Dune View Post
No chance of that because they are not Europeans, in case you would have missed it
South Koreans are not Americans but Korean expat pilot paid in dollars .
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 23:29
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Any chance to join as a F/O and realistically expect an upgrade to CMD?
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 06:14
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APU..

I feel compelled to correct your post....

I had the displeasure to work for EK for a number of years before moving on to Turkish so I can give you first hand knowledge of some numbers.

I earned about 12500 or maybe close to 13K per month (US) as a line pilot... nowhere near your almost twice as much figure you mentioned. This was all based on a 92-95 hour month of flying with very rigorous and fatiguing rosters at EK. At at TK, I was paid from about 10500 to 11400/month (US) for about 70 to 80 hours per month in a 20 day period with 10 consecutive days off in a row each month and a confirmed seat upgradeable (which I always got) to any destination they flew.

If you take the "hourly" pay, TK paid much more than EK did since TK guys fly much less per month. EK had and continues to have a punitive-wide culture while the TK people are much nicer and easy going... absolutely day and night differences.

EK offers more benefits but at a much higher price to be paid... e.g., selling your soul to the devil for all the benefits.

Hope that clears it up for you....

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Originally Posted by APU_inop View Post
In the sandpit a 777 captain makes almost twice as much, if in training much more. It's going to be interesting to see how they attract people after the way they've been treating their pilots.

Even local guys flying widebody in their home country are trying to get out as soon as possible, which should be an indication of how much room for improvement there is
 
Old 26th Oct 2017, 06:35
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The gov't there arrested nearly 200,000 of their own highly educated and professional citizens, most without trial. If you have an incident there, good luck trying to get representation. You'll likely end up in jail with everyone else.

Probably not a good idea to join. But lovely country nonetheless. I was just there this past summer. Mostly nice people there.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 17:41
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30N30W ,

Come va?

Maybe should you give more explanations? You work for thy maybe?
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 13:39
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Originally Posted by Broomstick Flier View Post
Any chance to join as a F/O and realistically expect an upgrade to CMD?
No info on that? Thanks!

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Old 31st Oct 2017, 15:05
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Originally Posted by Broomstick Flier View Post
Any chance to join as a F/O and realistically expect an upgrade to CMD?
NOT to my knowledge if you aren't Turkish......
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Old 1st Nov 2017, 14:10
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APU INOP, your info are absolutely correct.

The new contract offers 31000 tl for captains. the Turkish Lira Tl is now at 4.5.
When an expat get the job he is paid in TURKISH LIRA AND CAN ONLY convert it in to euro at a higher rate, let s say 4.6 to 4.7 tl for 1 euro.
let s say 5tl for one 1 euro at the end of the year when you analyse the curves of the turkish currency compared to the euro.
it means 6050 euro brut for a captain.
the deduction on salary is around 6-7 % , it means a captain in TL earns 5700 euros per month.
after enquiry a long haul captain will be around 6700 EUROS NET to fly a B777.
What do you guys think about this offer?
are they going to recruit only pre-retired captains who already got their pensions and are ready to get some supplement pocket money?
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Old 1st Nov 2017, 21:39
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The expected inflation is 10% per year and the currency typically gets weaker at en even higher rate.
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Old 2nd Nov 2017, 23:01
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That's less than what an FO makes in sandpit.
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 18:49
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mins? hiring link ?
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