New English Language Proficiency Testing
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New English Language Proficiency Testing
Part of new GCAA requirements:
Mandatory Requirement 4:
On or after 1st January 2022, Holders of UAE licences endorsed with ELP 6 shall:
a) have their English Language Proficiency re-assessed by an approved ELP TO; and
b) provide such evidence to the GCAA
unless their English Language Proficiency has already been assessed by an organisation authorised by the GCAA.
Mandatory Requirement 4:
On or after 1st January 2022, Holders of UAE licences endorsed with ELP 6 shall:
a) have their English Language Proficiency re-assessed by an approved ELP TO; and
b) provide such evidence to the GCAA
unless their English Language Proficiency has already been assessed by an organisation authorised by the GCAA.
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I was in the Audi recently with a fellow colleague (South American) and we both politely went back to reading the GABI on our screens as I apologetically told him that I just couldn't understand what he was saying, no matter how hard I tried.
I was actually rather shocked that the company has this gentleman employed in the cockpit. Now, I am not an ELP examiner of course, but I wouldn't put his proficiency past a 2 at best (random words and the "gist" of the conversation was how the understanding of our conversation went).
J
I was actually rather shocked that the company has this gentleman employed in the cockpit. Now, I am not an ELP examiner of course, but I wouldn't put his proficiency past a 2 at best (random words and the "gist" of the conversation was how the understanding of our conversation went).
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In the real world the whole point of ELP6 is that no further testing is required because you are native speaker status.
If EK want to re-test it must be because they know some of the staff who have ELP6 should not really have it? Would ICAO have given them a hard time about it?
In the real world the whole point of ELP6 is that no further testing is required because you are native speaker status.
If EK want to re-test it must be because they know some of the staff who have ELP6 should not really have it? Would ICAO have given them a hard time about it?
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Originally Posted by jack schidt
I was actually rather shocked that the company has this gentleman employed in the cockpit
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I personally flew with two chaps( one from U.K. and one from U.S) who had level 5 reported on their license..
I've also witnessed a Canadian Captain who couldn't understand his Scottish F/O who ,in turn , couldn't understand New York ATC..
Very funny to watch👍
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I've also witnessed a Canadian Captain who couldn't understand his Scottish F/O who ,in turn , couldn't understand New York ATC..
Very funny to watch👍
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Since I have seen on a couple of occasions American pilots who could not understand each other - and also when British ones were involved - I'm totally delivered of any feeling of guilt.
Problem is that a lot of those "native-English speakers" are also the ones with the less education, and strange as it might appear, they often have a limited vocabulary or grammar, so totally missing some points - and therefore blaming the other guy for the misunderstanding...
A colleague from Down South was obviously understanding "free gate " instead of " frigate " - until I realised that he probably didn't know what a frigate was.
There is a reason for the word "articulate" to be used inside the English-speaking world - somewhat synonymous with intelligent and educated ..... and remember, with a 200-words vocabulary, it becomes so easy to speak fast.... without even mentioning writing abilities.
But it so good to enjoy that little feeling of superiority towards a colleague doing the job in a foreign language, something that 99% of those ones would be totally unable of ...
Educated people are in any case always easier to understand and to communicate with - somebody eating 50% of his speech will not impress me, either in English or in any other language including mine.
Problem is that a lot of those "native-English speakers" are also the ones with the less education, and strange as it might appear, they often have a limited vocabulary or grammar, so totally missing some points - and therefore blaming the other guy for the misunderstanding...
A colleague from Down South was obviously understanding "free gate " instead of " frigate " - until I realised that he probably didn't know what a frigate was.
There is a reason for the word "articulate" to be used inside the English-speaking world - somewhat synonymous with intelligent and educated ..... and remember, with a 200-words vocabulary, it becomes so easy to speak fast.... without even mentioning writing abilities.
But it so good to enjoy that little feeling of superiority towards a colleague doing the job in a foreign language, something that 99% of those ones would be totally unable of ...
Educated people are in any case always easier to understand and to communicate with - somebody eating 50% of his speech will not impress me, either in English or in any other language including mine.
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dunno wh' all th' fuss is about, I mean c,mon... dude man!
like nobody can be level 6 man thats like rocket siense an cuz pilotz is smrt or somthin...far out
an cuz punkuation an grammr an kapitals an stuff is a lot of work.
Dude....
like nobody can be level 6 man thats like rocket siense an cuz pilotz is smrt or somthin...far out
an cuz punkuation an grammr an kapitals an stuff is a lot of work.
Dude....
