APC 20% increase in membership fees.
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A quick back of the envelope.
There are 4800 members. Let's say half are family, half single. 1440+2880= 4320/2 = 2160*4800=
10,368,000 in annual dues.
Okay those numbers could be plus or minus a couple of million.
No one is suggesting there is anything untoward going on BUT it is essential that complete and full transparency in annual accounts was sent to every member with that increase notice.
Further - not sure how long that lease is on Fairmont - but wouldn't the best location be that which is located closest to the main concentration of pilots - i.e. Meydan/DSO..not to mention price
C'mon APC, if you are going to ask for a 20% increase - you need to attach a detailed financial explanation & do a better job of explaining how this all works in a way that serves us - the members.
And no - attending the AGM won't do.
There are 4800 members. Let's say half are family, half single. 1440+2880= 4320/2 = 2160*4800=
10,368,000 in annual dues.
Okay those numbers could be plus or minus a couple of million.
No one is suggesting there is anything untoward going on BUT it is essential that complete and full transparency in annual accounts was sent to every member with that increase notice.
Further - not sure how long that lease is on Fairmont - but wouldn't the best location be that which is located closest to the main concentration of pilots - i.e. Meydan/DSO..not to mention price
C'mon APC, if you are going to ask for a 20% increase - you need to attach a detailed financial explanation & do a better job of explaining how this all works in a way that serves us - the members.
And no - attending the AGM won't do.
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Who is greedy
1st the clubs APC has partnership with, unless that there is no reason that frequent contract renewals are required. these partners want to drive the prices up year by year
Why is APC still in Fairmont, most rents in the last years had a contract only for one year (was usually difficult to get for more), because landlords are greedy and wanted the chance to increase the rent year by year. on the other hand it is since 2 years clear that the majority of pilots will be living in Medyan the one and the other one, or DSO
I heard a rumor that the nice ladies in the office makeing AED 25.000 plus a month, can't confirm it, but it's a rumor. that's to part with the voluteering work. I don't know what the IT costs are to manage all those card readers. understandable enough that nobody will sit in an office the entire day for nothing, but that amount - seriously?
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How would you feel if you went into a car garage for a service and they said the cost of parts has gone up by 10%, so as a result we are going to charge you 20% more? No one likes being taken for a ride!
The issue here is that APC have not told us what they estimate VAT, inflation plus any other costs to be, which is supported with a detailed and reasonable explanation. The 20% seems to be nothing more than a figure plucked from thin air, since they have failed to justify it otherwise.
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I left EPC many years ago when I knew of members money being wasted by a board member to pay for "expenses". Eating out and drinking fine beverages on the members money instantly made me want to resign my membership.
I left several years ago, I had a low membership number. As a non golfer I couldn't justify paying for what was becoming primarily a golf club membership card. Most restaurants now take Platinum over E/APC and the value of Platinum far outweighs APC in both cost and outlets.
Members have very little control on what the funds are spent on and the clubs finances are certainly not transparent.
J
I left several years ago, I had a low membership number. As a non golfer I couldn't justify paying for what was becoming primarily a golf club membership card. Most restaurants now take Platinum over E/APC and the value of Platinum far outweighs APC in both cost and outlets.
Members have very little control on what the funds are spent on and the clubs finances are certainly not transparent.
J
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Originally Posted by g109
Guys, I have reason to believe APC is in severe financial trouble, I'd be surprised if they will still be around at the end of this year
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How about the EK Pilot's start a new Pilots club??? Cheap as we can make it. Just beach access, which also covers gyms, and golf club discounts. Platinum for all other discounts. And just EK crew. Minimum paid staff. Office location, if any, to suit the majority of EK accomodation locations. And complete transparency. What do you think boys and girls? Would enough be interested? Think its time that the majority of us break from APC.
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what a shame! I've been a member for 11 years.. not all of us work at EK.. even if we are in the EK group! my single membership was 650/ year in 2006.. i just can't accept the new increase today, and the lack of transparency as quoted.. where is the line in the sand.. if you really are not for profit!? ... i will miss my favourite gym but nothing else.. maybe you wanted less members? if so I'm sure this will be the case! good luck APC i will not be renewing i hope you have competition which is not just the Platinum card as that is what you and the rest of us really need!
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HMM, FP.
Getting to the AGM is all well and good for those who do not spend most of their time out of Dubai.
The accounts could be easily displayed via a secure link from the club website.
Whats to hide?
Getting to the AGM is all well and good for those who do not spend most of their time out of Dubai.
The accounts could be easily displayed via a secure link from the club website.
Whats to hide?
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Transparency - go to the AGM and ask about the books and financial reports. Refusing to go to the meeting and complaining on here instead is not only petulant and grossly ignorant it's also a waste of time. If you really can't be bothered doing your miniscule club duty by attending an AGM then form a delegation and approach them in the office - politely - with advance notice. Pretty simple really.
If you want greed look no further than the company's platinum card (whose management do their best to bring about the downfall of the club) as well as those club members who greedily take the best of both worlds and support the company's profit based card. Sorry but the truth hurts.
The company wants to make a profit with their card. If all the pilots stopped supporting the platinum card it would be shut down overnight. Amazing how everyone hates the company so much but still gives them their hard earned to help them shut down the club bit by bit.
If you want greed look no further than the company's platinum card (whose management do their best to bring about the downfall of the club) as well as those club members who greedily take the best of both worlds and support the company's profit based card. Sorry but the truth hurts.
The company wants to make a profit with their card. If all the pilots stopped supporting the platinum card it would be shut down overnight. Amazing how everyone hates the company so much but still gives them their hard earned to help them shut down the club bit by bit.
It’s exactly that agreessive defensiveness that makes people really start to wonder.
Then you go on to counsel politeness
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Transparency - go to the AGM and ask about the books and financial reports. Refusing to go to the meeting and complaining on here instead is not only petulant and grossly ignorant it's also a waste of time. If you really can't be bothered doing your miniscule club duty by attending an AGM then form a delegation and approach them in the office - politely - with advance notice. Pretty simple really.
If you want greed look no further than the company's platinum card (whose management do their best to bring about the downfall of the club) as well as those club members who greedily take the best of both worlds and support the company's profit based card. Sorry but the truth hurts.
The company wants to make a profit with their card. If all the pilots stopped supporting the platinum card it would be shut down overnight. Amazing how everyone hates the company so much but still gives them their hard earned to help them shut down the club bit by bit.
If you want greed look no further than the company's platinum card (whose management do their best to bring about the downfall of the club) as well as those club members who greedily take the best of both worlds and support the company's profit based card. Sorry but the truth hurts.
The company wants to make a profit with their card. If all the pilots stopped supporting the platinum card it would be shut down overnight. Amazing how everyone hates the company so much but still gives them their hard earned to help them shut down the club bit by bit.
Comparing the APC to the Platinum Card is like comparing apples and oranges, as the latter is run by a company where there is little compunction when advantage is taken of their own staff to benefit the bottom line. However APC is a club run by fellow pilots, who hold positions with a mandate to safeguard our interests and oversee that the funds we invest, are spent wisely and appropriately. To say that the dichotomy between the two is significant, is an understatement.
Those in influential positions within the APC know that there is a noticeable degree of discontent amongst a number of its membership, after the last email. Despite this discontent being palpable, there has been no subsequent communication to engage with us and provide clarity as to why this decision has been taken. The modus operandi of burying ones head in the sand, which we see all too often in this part of the world, seems to have been adopted. The saying 'a little goes a long way' is appropriate here. A selection of a few but well chosen words to all members to alleviate the situation, would help make significant inroads into restoring the confidence and optimism in APC, that seems to have been eroded for a number of members.
