Emirates: New "Acid" test after Recurrent SIM!
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Mandatory viewing for all on the third floor.
https://youtu.be/lmyZMtPVodo
https://youtu.be/lmyZMtPVodo
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ACID
I would say even more
You should pass a TEC Quiz lets say level 2 with a min 70% without studying and an LPC without any prep on any given day - that's the job - that's why we called professionals - or would u go to a doctor who needs to start studying when u enter the hospital?
But this "ACID" test leads to the following:
if your trainer decides that u have missed one radio call or u have done one SOP out of sequence for a reason he does not understand or is unwillig to do so - the particular pilot is done. And we know our nerds. the word "situational awareness" is used in EK to any extend. If a trainer finds nothing u have prescribed any little step verbal he comes with "good stuff, ah ah ah yeah but your situ............" - tonnes of rules which can be single sided brocken and abused for personal disagreement - getting more and more intressting
the other question how many groundings for the "ACID" can flights ops possible take?
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You are correct, all CEO's should watch this.
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I'm not particularly concerned for these 25% random checks... (I'm not thrilled)....but it most certainly does not have me losing any sleep.
I always fly SOP, and during Annual Line checks there are always some minor points that are picked up....I listen to them, I take them on board and then try to fix those minor errors.
These checkers doing these (25%) random checks are probably not particularly happy about them either, and I expect that they will treat them as any other normal annual line check...a few slight errors they will point out to me, I'll take them on board, read the reports, see mainly 4's with maybe one or two 3's (hopefully a couple 5's!!!).
Then I'll jump into my silver shark or blue German mobile and go home.
The guys checking you are human also....just do a normal flight (my annual line check to KHI is always very normal), and then I'll get some scores (hopefully mainly 4's)...and then it's silver shark time again.
I'm not terribly concerned about this.
Eternity.
I always fly SOP, and during Annual Line checks there are always some minor points that are picked up....I listen to them, I take them on board and then try to fix those minor errors.
These checkers doing these (25%) random checks are probably not particularly happy about them either, and I expect that they will treat them as any other normal annual line check...a few slight errors they will point out to me, I'll take them on board, read the reports, see mainly 4's with maybe one or two 3's (hopefully a couple 5's!!!).
Then I'll jump into my silver shark or blue German mobile and go home.
The guys checking you are human also....just do a normal flight (my annual line check to KHI is always very normal), and then I'll get some scores (hopefully mainly 4's)...and then it's silver shark time again.
I'm not terribly concerned about this.
Eternity.
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If you aren't fit to pass your medical check, call sick.
If you aren't competent to pass a Line Check, study
If you wouldn't pass your LOE, study
Any flight you could do could end up as complicated as any one of these or worse. If you aren't prepared, look inward. It's only your fault.
I agree with fatbus on this one.
It happened to me without any issues.
If you aren't competent to pass a Line Check, study
If you wouldn't pass your LOE, study
Any flight you could do could end up as complicated as any one of these or worse. If you aren't prepared, look inward. It's only your fault.
I agree with fatbus on this one.
It happened to me without any issues.
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It's all fine to lecture about being a pro and being ready and so on. Agreed.
But I'd hope any decent risk manager could recognize that being exposed to jeopardy where it didn't exist previously is a step backward by any standard. Even an Oztranaut can have a bad day, y'know.
And the patronizing tone of some of these "poo poo it's nothing" posts pretty much guarantees at least one of you is gonna eat a ****e sandwich on an unannounced check!
But I'd hope any decent risk manager could recognize that being exposed to jeopardy where it didn't exist previously is a step backward by any standard. Even an Oztranaut can have a bad day, y'know.
And the patronizing tone of some of these "poo poo it's nothing" posts pretty much guarantees at least one of you is gonna eat a ****e sandwich on an unannounced check!
Oh the Oztranauts. Do they make mistakes? If they do are they admitted? Heard of rocking horse sh*t?
Those who can do, do. Those who cant...... you know the rest. Dont re invent the wheel.
Those who can do, do. Those who cant...... you know the rest. Dont re invent the wheel.
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PS why is it that so many feel its compulsory to turn up to briefing with a cup of coffee firmly planted in their hands - even if it means they're late!
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PS why is it that so many feel its compulsory to turn up to briefing with a cup of coffee firmly planted in their hands - even if it means they're late!
It takes a second to find out at the dispatcher if the other guy picked up the briefing package or not. If he did than he's also waiting for you.
I like to go together to Costa and I always pay for both coffees...such a nice guy I am.
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Ruserious - not got enough time to make yourself a cup at home if its that important!
I was talking more about the few guys / gals who saunter into the briefing room with a couple of minutes to go until its time to go to the bus, complaining about being picked up late yet still have a coffee in hand, obviously don't have any time for anything at home - dirty shoes, half ironed shirt etc etc! These guys and gals mostly continue with this laissez faire attitude during the flight most likely chair back, speaker on also trying to text their mates whilst you're not looking!!
You know what I mean!
I think these are the ones who are being targeted!
I was talking more about the few guys / gals who saunter into the briefing room with a couple of minutes to go until its time to go to the bus, complaining about being picked up late yet still have a coffee in hand, obviously don't have any time for anything at home - dirty shoes, half ironed shirt etc etc! These guys and gals mostly continue with this laissez faire attitude during the flight most likely chair back, speaker on also trying to text their mates whilst you're not looking!!
You know what I mean!
I think these are the ones who are being targeted!
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Seaman:
All of these manifold personal failings are summed up in their inability to discern that Costa is a vile, acrid concoction that bears not even the faintest passing resemblance to coffee.
All of these manifold personal failings are summed up in their inability to discern that Costa is a vile, acrid concoction that bears not even the faintest passing resemblance to coffee.
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I don't think most people have issues with line checks - planned or last minute. I couldn't care less! I do my job properly and have never had an issue with a line check.
The TONE in the email, however, is a different issue. No doubt most of us can see things moving back to the way it used to be - checking, no training and so some are, rightly, concerned.
I could accept it and actually embrace it, IF management stepped up and accepted some accountability and responsibility. But nada.
We crashed an airplane and almost crashed a few more.........and still nothing from management. Nothing has changed other than the threat to pilots regarding their performance??!!??!
There is no doubt that pilots are fatigued and burned out. I don't care if they had a layover before the crash or if they had 2 days off before their flight etc etc. The constant 90 hour plus months (my record is 110), small blocks of leave where you still fly your max or close to max monthly schedule, the day night mixes, ULRs followed by 2 days off and a night turn etc. is unsustainable and these incidents that we have experienced recently are the leading edge of the knife.
EVERYTHING in our schedules is fatiguing. The biggest issue with the rosters is that we never have an opportunity to 'recover'. Management simply ignore it. Ask the fleet managers why we are flying 90 plus hours a month and you will hear the response that 'it is not every month - you get 42 day of leave'! That lack of understanding goes right up the chain of command where it becomes a lack of accountability. I am guessing that is why we had the 2 senior VP's in flight ops resign - they see the cliff approaching. (If that happened anywhere else in the world and the civil authority would have stepped in to investigate.)
It is all too simple to point the fingers at pilots. To lay blame but take no responsibility. They KNOW the issues and solutions but this silo driven company is frozen in its ability to make decisions and to implement change as senior managers cannot agree and won't push the agenda because of cost and a lack of knowledge of the fundamental issues at an operational level.
The drive to punish while ignoring training, rostering, fatigue etc will lead to another accident. EK have been lucky (beyond lucky in fact) that Joburg, Melbourne, Dubai and Moscow did not result in hundreds of deaths.
Without a significant and fundamental change in its overall operation EK will have an accident again.
The TONE in the email, however, is a different issue. No doubt most of us can see things moving back to the way it used to be - checking, no training and so some are, rightly, concerned.
I could accept it and actually embrace it, IF management stepped up and accepted some accountability and responsibility. But nada.
We crashed an airplane and almost crashed a few more.........and still nothing from management. Nothing has changed other than the threat to pilots regarding their performance??!!??!
There is no doubt that pilots are fatigued and burned out. I don't care if they had a layover before the crash or if they had 2 days off before their flight etc etc. The constant 90 hour plus months (my record is 110), small blocks of leave where you still fly your max or close to max monthly schedule, the day night mixes, ULRs followed by 2 days off and a night turn etc. is unsustainable and these incidents that we have experienced recently are the leading edge of the knife.
EVERYTHING in our schedules is fatiguing. The biggest issue with the rosters is that we never have an opportunity to 'recover'. Management simply ignore it. Ask the fleet managers why we are flying 90 plus hours a month and you will hear the response that 'it is not every month - you get 42 day of leave'! That lack of understanding goes right up the chain of command where it becomes a lack of accountability. I am guessing that is why we had the 2 senior VP's in flight ops resign - they see the cliff approaching. (If that happened anywhere else in the world and the civil authority would have stepped in to investigate.)
It is all too simple to point the fingers at pilots. To lay blame but take no responsibility. They KNOW the issues and solutions but this silo driven company is frozen in its ability to make decisions and to implement change as senior managers cannot agree and won't push the agenda because of cost and a lack of knowledge of the fundamental issues at an operational level.
The drive to punish while ignoring training, rostering, fatigue etc will lead to another accident. EK have been lucky (beyond lucky in fact) that Joburg, Melbourne, Dubai and Moscow did not result in hundreds of deaths.
Without a significant and fundamental change in its overall operation EK will have an accident again.
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I was talking more about the few guys / gals who saunter into the briefing room with a couple of minutes to go until its time to go to the bus, complaining about being picked up late yet still have a coffee in hand, obviously don't have any time for anything at home - dirty shoes, half ironed shirt etc etc! These guys and gals mostly continue with this laissez faire attitude during the flight most likely chair back, speaker on also trying to text their mates whilst you're not looking!!
You know what I mean!
I think these are the ones who are being targeted!
You know what I mean!
I think these are the ones who are being targeted!
They should not have passed assessment
They should not have passed training
They (some) should not have passed upgrade
They (too many) should not have become trainers
In trying to target the problem only now, management fights the symptoms and still refuses to fight the root cause.
And by that way they admits tacitly that the layers mentioned above have more holes than cheese, management itself being the worst.
