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check flight radar for ek131 on the 10th. whole story there for you
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f.../ek131#eceac34
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f.../ek131#eceac34
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Looks like things get a bit interesting from 17:53utc!
Probably a terrain escape manoeuvre, followed by a second approach that led to a go around, finally a landing off the third one. Was the weather that bad in Moscow recently?
Presume the guys are off the roster...
Probably a terrain escape manoeuvre, followed by a second approach that led to a go around, finally a landing off the third one. Was the weather that bad in Moscow recently?
Presume the guys are off the roster...
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All I know is that the guys are grounded pending investigation but if anyone has more technical details it would be easier to understand what exactly happened.
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https://flightaware.com/live/flight/.../UUDD/tracklog
for more info - check time stamp 0953
doesnt say how far they are from the runway but they are not established on the loc yet due heading. not pretty. I guess it would have been dark. But still nice weather
UUDD 101900Z 21003MPS 170V230 CAVOK 14/11 Q1015 R88/010095 NOSIG
UUDD 101800Z 18004MPS CAVOK 15/11 Q1015 R88/010095 NOSIG
UUDD 101700Z 19003MPS 9999 FEW040 15/12 Q1016 R88/010095 NOSIG
for more info - check time stamp 0953
doesnt say how far they are from the runway but they are not established on the loc yet due heading. not pretty. I guess it would have been dark. But still nice weather
UUDD 101900Z 21003MPS 170V230 CAVOK 14/11 Q1015 R88/010095 NOSIG
UUDD 101800Z 18004MPS CAVOK 15/11 Q1015 R88/010095 NOSIG
UUDD 101700Z 19003MPS 9999 FEW040 15/12 Q1016 R88/010095 NOSIG
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They were probably composing an ASR about noise cancelling headsets, or coming up with a good excuse for loss of comms in Chinese airspace.
FWIW, I'm joking but from the outside looking in, I'd be surprised to learn if this was anything else than self inflicted in terms of training, resilience and culture.
FWIW, I'm joking but from the outside looking in, I'd be surprised to learn if this was anything else than self inflicted in terms of training, resilience and culture.
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Originally Posted by falconeasydriver
FWIW, I'm joking
short flights long nights
That was very close to being a big smoking hole in the ground!
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Well not surprised within a company that selects trainers for how good they will be at being management puppets many with the minimum experience on the left seat (months sometimes) and an airline that upgrades people based on age??? instead of capabilities, experience and performance. Run through the law of fear and punishment, EK is past the downhill spiral now basically in a deep flat stall.
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A big 'gotcha' into UUDD is dialing the QFE into the altimeter rather than QNH. Not saying it happened here but it has caught out other crews previously!
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Originally Posted by aussiefarmer
with the minimum experience on the left seat (months sometimes)
short flights long nights
Well not surprised within a company that selects trainers for how good they will be at being management puppets many with the minimum experience on the left seat (months sometimes) and an airline that upgrades people based on age??? instead of capabilities, experience and performance. Run through the law of fear and punishment, EK is past the downhill spiral now basically in a deep flat stall.
I don't know what the crew did...but I feel very sorry for them...I have a feeling they may be in a world of hurt.
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Don't know the full story yet, but I think its pretty early to blame Training as the cause. What happened to distance x 3 and all the pilot **** that we're supposed to do all the time? Were there other holes in the Swiss Cheese that affected that?
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very odd series of events...
surely go ahead and blame those 'stupid pilots' ...
I wonder what the skippers workload was before the event...this, combined with possible massive inexperince in the rhs these days... (not an issue these days, right?).
As a tractor driver, I am surprised however that in situations like this one didn' t trigger some sort of alarm in the 380 before they were so low, given all the extra wistles and bells in the cockpit...
surely go ahead and blame those 'stupid pilots' ...
I wonder what the skippers workload was before the event...this, combined with possible massive inexperince in the rhs these days... (not an issue these days, right?).
As a tractor driver, I am surprised however that in situations like this one didn' t trigger some sort of alarm in the 380 before they were so low, given all the extra wistles and bells in the cockpit...
short flights long nights
Do pilot shti? Do pilot shti? That is part of the problem. You are not allowed to do pilot stuff in EK. You have to recite endless SOPs and follow them regardless, if you don't, the fear and punishment clause will take over. If the boys on the 777 had used some common sense, and done a bit of pilot stuff, they would have landed safely, taxied in with a perfect aircraft and gone home.
But the fear and punishment clause in their heads was stronger than the common sense/do pilot stuff, and we all know the result.
But the fear and punishment clause in their heads was stronger than the common sense/do pilot stuff, and we all know the result.
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What's with the overconfidence & defensiveness of some of the junior Trainer's/FO's/cadets these days?
Is that a "millennial pilot" thing?
Is that a "millennial pilot" thing?
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