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PJ...that would be a typical TCAS ( read EK ) response. Why ami not surprised?
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Why on Earth would anyone go to their manager with a health/mental concern? EK have peer support but more importantly, EAS (Employee Assistance). 100% confidential with trained professionals. There are the resources here, it just comes down to whether you know about them, use them or trust them.
Harry
Why on Earth would anyone go to their manager with a health/mental concern? EK have peer support but more importantly, EAS (Employee Assistance). 100% confidential with trained professionals. There are the resources here, it just comes down to whether you know about them, use them or trust them.
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100% confidential with trained professionals
But in a country that bans Facetime calls, WhatsUp calls, tries desperately even with private Skype, where VPNs are illegal (unless used by an archaic EPT, naturally ....), where every employee is controlled on emigration/immigration and sentenced if caught non acclimatised although perfectly fit, no one believes for one second that there can be any credible confidentiality.
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The only time councillors are obliged to disclose is if you have or likely to have suicidal tendencies. Other than that, they do a damn good job of keeping personal issues away from the Company. Managers don't ask because they know full well they'll not be told. There is integrity in the process, believe me. I speak from personal experience and that's no bull.
Just because we don't hear the success stories does not mean the system doesn't work.
Harry
The only time councillors are obliged to disclose is if you have or likely to have suicidal tendencies. Other than that, they do a damn good job of keeping personal issues away from the Company. Managers don't ask because they know full well they'll not be told. There is integrity in the process, believe me. I speak from personal experience and that's no bull.
Just because we don't hear the success stories does not mean the system doesn't work.
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As always with EK there is no middle ground.
It should be easy to send a request to fleet to have a particular set of days off in the following month but such requests are denied if they are even responded to.
I have two examples where our colleagues requested time off but were told to go fly or call in sick.
Example 1:
Daughter scheduled for surgery in Dubai on following month.
Father asks for thee day block so he can be there to check her into the hospital on the first day, be there for the surgery on the second and be there when she opens her eyes on day 3.
Instead he was forced to call sick for the three days and was called into the office on the following month to explain himself.
Example 2:
Another Pilot requested three days off to attend his brothers wedding in Europe....denied the time off.
In both cases fleet said they have no control over the schedule and in both cases we had very stressed employees going to work.
Harry, all the counselling in the world does not fix the real world situation we as expats and human being s have to deal with.
Our kids can be seriously ill and require hospital time, Family members have weddings and unfortunately family members can be becoming very ill and die.
Keep in mind the emergency leave does not cover the above situations in all cases and is normally deducted from your 42 day leave bank.
Mgt need to be more flexible with our reasonable requests.
It should be easy to send a request to fleet to have a particular set of days off in the following month but such requests are denied if they are even responded to.
I have two examples where our colleagues requested time off but were told to go fly or call in sick.
Example 1:
Daughter scheduled for surgery in Dubai on following month.
Father asks for thee day block so he can be there to check her into the hospital on the first day, be there for the surgery on the second and be there when she opens her eyes on day 3.
Instead he was forced to call sick for the three days and was called into the office on the following month to explain himself.
Example 2:
Another Pilot requested three days off to attend his brothers wedding in Europe....denied the time off.
In both cases fleet said they have no control over the schedule and in both cases we had very stressed employees going to work.
Harry, all the counselling in the world does not fix the real world situation we as expats and human being s have to deal with.
Our kids can be seriously ill and require hospital time, Family members have weddings and unfortunately family members can be becoming very ill and die.
Keep in mind the emergency leave does not cover the above situations in all cases and is normally deducted from your 42 day leave bank.
Mgt need to be more flexible with our reasonable requests.
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Does this count how they all gossip at Kostha Kaafey - majority who barely even hold a degree in psychology. Isn't one of them always travelling - both Australians in fact. One too obsessed about his boyfriend who also works at EK and the other one never at her desk. Tsk tsk we do have a DOOZY as the saying goes.....................
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Serious allegation my friend. If you've overheard people discussing highly confidential material and you know who they are, you have a duty to report it. Problem is, I don't think you DO know who they are. The 'male' you're referring to with the boyfriend? The team consists of 7 specialists and they're all female. Sounds like you haven't got a Scooby Doo about what goes on in the EAS! And they either hold a degree or they don't.
Perthbound
In the case you mention with the child operation, why did he not contact EAS or peer support? Was the mother not available? If he was the only parent available, there would be good reason for EAS intervention. Regardless of their decision, I'd be telling Fleet I was having the time off and deal with the muppets later, like he did. FR in fleet is normally helpful with these type of issues but even JA when he was here had little control on rosters. It's a joke. Living as an expat does have challenges regarding family support so yes, I agree with you, the Company should be more flexible when it comes to dealing with issues. Problem is very few individuals, especially the fleet superintendents, are empowered to make any worthwhile decision.
My point is, this facility provides a good service that has helped many crew. I know this for a fact. The obvious deficiencies in Fleet with their lack of empathy and punitive policies on sickness is not a reason to ignore the potential of the EAS, especially in the context of this thread, mental health.
Harry
Serious allegation my friend. If you've overheard people discussing highly confidential material and you know who they are, you have a duty to report it. Problem is, I don't think you DO know who they are. The 'male' you're referring to with the boyfriend? The team consists of 7 specialists and they're all female. Sounds like you haven't got a Scooby Doo about what goes on in the EAS! And they either hold a degree or they don't.
Perthbound
In the case you mention with the child operation, why did he not contact EAS or peer support? Was the mother not available? If he was the only parent available, there would be good reason for EAS intervention. Regardless of their decision, I'd be telling Fleet I was having the time off and deal with the muppets later, like he did. FR in fleet is normally helpful with these type of issues but even JA when he was here had little control on rosters. It's a joke. Living as an expat does have challenges regarding family support so yes, I agree with you, the Company should be more flexible when it comes to dealing with issues. Problem is very few individuals, especially the fleet superintendents, are empowered to make any worthwhile decision.
My point is, this facility provides a good service that has helped many crew. I know this for a fact. The obvious deficiencies in Fleet with their lack of empathy and punitive policies on sickness is not a reason to ignore the potential of the EAS, especially in the context of this thread, mental health.
Harry
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Serious allegation my friend. If you've overheard people discussing highly confidential material and you know who they are, you have a duty to report it. Problem is, I don't think you DO know who they are. The 'male' you're referring to with the boyfriend? The team consists of 7 specialists and they're all female. Sounds like you haven't got a Scooby Doo about what goes on in the EAS! And they either hold a degree or they don't.
Perthbound
In the case you mention with the child operation, why did he not contact EAS or peer support? Was the mother not available? If he was the only parent available, there would be good reason for EAS intervention. Regardless of their decision, I'd be telling Fleet I was having the time off and deal with the muppets later, like he did. FR in fleet is normally helpful with these type of issues but even JA when he was here had little control on rosters. It's a joke. Living as an expat does have challenges regarding family support so yes, I agree with you, the Company should be more flexible when it comes to dealing with issues. Problem is very few individuals, especially the fleet superintendents, are empowered to make any worthwhile decision.
My point is, this facility provides a good service that has helped many crew. I know this for a fact. The obvious deficiencies in Fleet with their lack of empathy and punitive policies on sickness is not a reason to ignore the potential of the EAS, especially in the context of this thread, mental health.
Harry
Serious allegation my friend. If you've overheard people discussing highly confidential material and you know who they are, you have a duty to report it. Problem is, I don't think you DO know who they are. The 'male' you're referring to with the boyfriend? The team consists of 7 specialists and they're all female. Sounds like you haven't got a Scooby Doo about what goes on in the EAS! And they either hold a degree or they don't.
Perthbound
In the case you mention with the child operation, why did he not contact EAS or peer support? Was the mother not available? If he was the only parent available, there would be good reason for EAS intervention. Regardless of their decision, I'd be telling Fleet I was having the time off and deal with the muppets later, like he did. FR in fleet is normally helpful with these type of issues but even JA when he was here had little control on rosters. It's a joke. Living as an expat does have challenges regarding family support so yes, I agree with you, the Company should be more flexible when it comes to dealing with issues. Problem is very few individuals, especially the fleet superintendents, are empowered to make any worthwhile decision.
My point is, this facility provides a good service that has helped many crew. I know this for a fact. The obvious deficiencies in Fleet with their lack of empathy and punitive policies on sickness is not a reason to ignore the potential of the EAS, especially in the context of this thread, mental health.
Harry
The education bit / hmmmm well half and half - some are and some are questionable / just give it a visit 😉
I have never had occasion to deal with EAS . My question is , if you need time off for a serious family event e .g. Funeral , child's operation or illness possibly overseas , can they help ? I would guess not , it's called life . In reality how dare one be denied the very few days needed to offer solace or suppport . As H said , if necessary just take the days you need , the explanation may be stressful but you'll feel much better and more empowered for it ! After all , most flight crew have a significant amount of leave owed to them ... the operative word being owed .
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Harry I wasn't suggesting going to fleet with a mental health issue, that would be a disaster. But if managers were more aware of mental health then one of them might just consider it when punishing their minions. The reason the pilot screwed up the approach might just be due to the stress of his partners death or his/her divorce or any number of issues. And just maybe, instead of taking away a command and compounding the situation that leads to self harm, the poor pilot might get the help needed and be referred to one of your 100% confidential professionals....
ECAM your an immature little deadbeat. More likely a teenager by your lack of any sort of knowledge. If your not interested if flying in the Middle East, why are you on the site. If your learning to fly, give up, you'll never pass any psych.
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Link between lack of sleep and depression
More progressive countries allow the use of medication and treatment for depression and you still get to keep your licence and job.
Here the answer is removal from roster, lose your licence and your life is turned upside down.
So give yourself a pat on the back GCAA medical department.
No pilot is going to report any symptoms even if they do have them. Its career suicide. Then again if no problem is reported what's the issue ?
Shame we can not strap your bums to a jump seat for a few months to see what we must deal with.
Article discussing link between lack of sleep and depression by Professor of Psychology, Goldsmiths, University of London here
Here the answer is removal from roster, lose your licence and your life is turned upside down.
So give yourself a pat on the back GCAA medical department.
No pilot is going to report any symptoms even if they do have them. Its career suicide. Then again if no problem is reported what's the issue ?
Shame we can not strap your bums to a jump seat for a few months to see what we must deal with.
Article discussing link between lack of sleep and depression by Professor of Psychology, Goldsmiths, University of London here
It has been proposed for some time now that by improving sleep we can perhaps prevent or treat depression. Recently, data have started to emerge from studies suggesting that this may indeed be the case.
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Uplock,
I will never defend EK. I just want to point out facts. You CAN fly taking anti depressants under the GCAA. GCAA copied the program from the Australian Civil Aviation. I am saying that for personal experience and dealing with the GCAA. There is big stigma in the world about depression specially in the aviation world. But the reality is that it is a not as bad as people think it is. Actually the real suicide is flying sick without taking the proper care.
I will never defend EK. I just want to point out facts. You CAN fly taking anti depressants under the GCAA. GCAA copied the program from the Australian Civil Aviation. I am saying that for personal experience and dealing with the GCAA. There is big stigma in the world about depression specially in the aviation world. But the reality is that it is a not as bad as people think it is. Actually the real suicide is flying sick without taking the proper care.
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As another thought on 2 person flight deck rule why is there no problem with the EK B777F flying around most of the time with 2 crew??
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As another thought on 2 person flight deck rule why is there no problem with the EK B777F flying around most of the time with 2 crew??
But then again, they must be thoroughly screened and vetted and must pose a smaller risk than our wives .... (Quote from one of our managers stating this very reason as to why they can't fly with us as passengers, like on any civilised freighter worldwide)
It's basically simple: The rule of this topic increases the risk!