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2 person Fightdeck rule

Old 28th Aug 2017, 18:22
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If you are alone in the cockpit I would not recommend unlatching your seatbelt.
An aircraft (that you're strapped to) and the naughty man insn't strapped to...would provide you with a multitude of options to help avoid him reigning blows down upon you.

Additionally your Parker Pen (or if a Captain) your Mont Blanc pen can prove to be very useful if you attempt to direct towards the eyes, if at all possible.

If (and this is far more probable), we inadvertently fly into some particularly nasty CAT - you (the pilot who is supposed to be f*#king flying the thing is now also face planting the overheard panel.

Don't undo your seatbelt mate.

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Old 29th Aug 2017, 01:26
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A male cabin crew was arrested a few years ago at a UK based airline I worked for. Had been viewing Al-Qaeda material on the 'net and was picked up by MI6.

Big strong guy, looked like a real gym rat, brought us coffee in the cruise a few times, no harm was done but you've got to wonder. If he had a well executed plan then he could well bring the plane down even with two pilots in the flight deck. Where does it end?
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 08:39
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65 posts and still nothing about what actually happened!
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 10:40
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ECAM, your an idiot. Go away
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 11:21
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Originally Posted by A320ECAM View Post
The irony.

Back on topic: have Emirates had a successful go-around since Flight 521?
I believe you can apply again in 12 mos
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 11:59
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I believe this person is a troll, or a complete idiot.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 12:37
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I believe this person is a troll, or a complete idiot.
Probably both.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 12:56
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Originally Posted by eternity
An aircraft (that you're strapped to) and the naughty man insn't strapped to...would provide you with a multitude of options to help avoid him reigning blows down upon you.

Additionally your Parker Pen (or if a Captain) your Mont Blanc pen can prove to be very useful if you attempt to direct towards the eyes, if at all possible.
Excellent , and full of useful ideas. As for myself, I will keep them in mind.

The only problem would be that the involved CC might have a pen, too.

So it seems that quite of us are already designing their own way of fighting back the CC in the cockpit. So great.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 14:08
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
I believe this person is a troll, or a complete idiot.
The solution
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Luke SkyToddler View Post
A male cabin crew was arrested a few years ago at a UK based airline I worked for. Had been viewing Al-Qaeda material on the 'net and was picked up by MI6.

Big strong guy, looked like a real gym rat, brought us coffee in the cruise a few times, no harm was done but you've got to wonder. If he had a well executed plan then he could well bring the plane down even with two pilots in the flight deck. Where does it end?
It always amazes me how they can catch a guy looking at stuff on the internet, yet somehow they can't or won't block the web address to that material. That's like offering free beer on the highway and complaining when someone gets caught DUI.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 23:42
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Originally Posted by A320ECAM View Post
I don't know the details of what happened but the only way of putting this issue to bed once and for all is that the flight deck is given it's very own lav which is separate and isolated from the cabin. Until then, two persons must always be in the flight deck because the pilot may commit suicide. There have been many pilot suicides in recent years, especially MH370 and Germanwings. But even before that there have been many cases! So the only solution... have another body in the flight deck when one of the pilots leaves. That person has to sit in the observer seat (or stand if no observer seat is installed).

Get your facts straight buddy. Looks like you have a little or no experience in aviation.


MH370 is still a mystery, Pilot suicide is one of the many theories of what could have happened. No assumptions in aviation, because assumption are the mother
Of all the f$&@ups. A CC in German wings could have never saved the plane, if she/he was 320 rated. You would have read about AF447 incident.



Primarily two person cockpit rule was made for pilot incapacitation, not suicide.
I had this rule in all the airlines I had worked/working for.

And it's lose not loose. Do you know the difference ??
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 23:45
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I believe you can apply again in 12 mos
You think he is qualified to apply ? Looks like he has 10s of Cessna hrs under his belt and not even a CPL.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 00:09
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Originally Posted by Flyboy_SG View Post
You think he is qualified to apply ? Looks like he has 10s of Cessna hrs under his belt and not even a CPL.
Well I'm applying not long after graduation, the average demographic of the EK pilot appears to be leaning towards the younger generation. Although, having said that, I'm not entirely convinced by the company or lifestyle. I shall see once I'm fully done with training and have joined my sponsor airline what my next move shall be. Emirates might still take some convincing and definitely a better offer than what they currently have for d/e FOs.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 04:35
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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes View Post
Officer Kite - and what has your contribution to do with the thread "2 person flight deck rule?" Wrong thread? As a tip (as you are close to graduation) when it comes to your exams read the question / topic!

As to the thread, the 2 person rule was simply to do with making sure the other pilot could get back in after leaving flight deck i.e. not denied access.

There are lots of scenarios to do with this which are really best not discussed in public, better to think about it yourself or talk about it with your buddies in the bar.

As to what happened recently - rumour of course - rearrange the following words - commotion, fit, restraint, seizure. Actually if what i heard is correct quite sad! So lets wait and see.
Also as a totally unrelated topic and as its a rumour network did the steroid testing email come out before or after this happened?

That whatsapp rumor msg started doing the rounds around the 20th, the steroids missive came out 10th.

You might be on to something there
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 05:43
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Officer kite , really don't want another beef with you

Zero contribution to the thread ,

Off topic but when did an MPL , "graduate from anything ?"

If this is the sort of quality that EK is getting then slow clap it is
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 05:52
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Originally Posted by Officer Kite View Post
Well I'm applying not long after graduation, the average demographic of the EK pilot appears to be leaning towards the younger generation. Although, having said that, I'm not entirely convinced by the company or lifestyle. I shall see once I'm fully done with training and have joined my sponsor airline what my next move shall be. Emirates might still take some convincing and definitely a better offer than what they currently have for d/e FOs.
Calm down, the failure rate here for interviews is really high. You don't "decide" whether or not to work for EK before the interview, you do the interview first THEN make that decision IF they offer you a job. The entry requirements may have completely collapsed but that doesn't mean they take just anyone.

No offence, but why don't you actually go out and get some real flying hours first before you deem EK unworthy of your services

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Old 30th Aug 2017, 07:58
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Originally Posted by pfvspnf View Post
Officer kite , really don't want another beef with you

Zero contribution to the thread ,

Off topic but when did an MPL , "graduate from anything ?"

If this is the sort of quality that EK is getting then slow clap it is
With the greatest of respect, sir, who are you? We had beef? I tend to fall asleep after a good steak so that probably explains it. Joking aside though, I'm sorry but I don't have any recollection of any discussion with you

As for the MPL, I am not an MPL cadet no, I'm ATPL.

And sealer, I hear you and point taken.

Anyway, regarding the thread, what's to say a cabin crew member and a pilot who both know each other and have the same evil intent don't simply plan to get on the same flight together and end up both in the cockpit together at some stage? Are there protections against this? It's a bloody obvious gap in the system.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 08:10
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Are there protections against this? It's a bloody obvious gap in the system.

Is it really?

I'm sure the security services are scrambling to secure that glaring own goal. Good thing a kid in ATPL Groundschool, who took 8 attempts to get into flight school, caught it in time.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 08:15
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Originally Posted by tech log View Post
Is it really?

I'm sure the security services are scrambling to secure that glaring own goal. Good thing a kid in ATPL Groundschool, who took 8 attempts to get into flight school, caught it in time.
except that didn't really happen did it? i was offered a place to "get into flight school" first time, but i wanted to get onto a programme with a job attached and insisted on it every time, so said no. Otherwise i would have been a "wings cadet" like you quite some time ago. Thankfully I thought wiser than throwing away tonnes of cash to end up back home scratching my ass whilst the "graduate services team" held me by my throat and end up like a puppet trying to impress them to try and get just an interview. Do try and be more accurate next time, and I hope you are more accurate in your exams considering you too are in flight school, I suggest you go and do some study rather than spend your time stalking my history, and good luck job hunting
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 08:23
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i was offered a place to "get into flight school" first time, but i wanted to get onto a programme with a job attached and insisted on it every time, so said no.
Oh dear.

CTC Qatar - final stage (rejected twice)
Aer Lingus - final stage (rejected twice)
CityJet - Final stage rejected
easyJet (rejected once at final interview, initially accepted second time but then rejected again with the personality test fiasco at OAA)


considering you too are in flight school
Am I really. Someone had better tell Aviation House LGW, they've printed A320/LV on my license by mistake.
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