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Bahrain, Egypt, UAE & Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic ties with Qatar. Qatar aircraft ban

Old 7th Jun 2017, 15:09
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in the UAE is now a criminal offence punishable by up to 15 years in prison. So if you are travelling thru any of these places, best keep your gob
Little wonder why the UAE GCM never really worked.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 21:43
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Well, it is unholy unprofessional to act as prophet of gloom and doom but someone need to do it.

So, ahem...

On Tuesday night Saudis have reportedly given Qatar a 24-hour ultimatum to fulfill a number of conditions they set in response to efforts to mediate between the two Arab states.

According to senior Al Jazeera journalist Faisal Edroos, the demands are:
  1. Immediate severance of diplomatic relations with Iran,
  2. Expulsion of all members of the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas from Qatar,
  3. Freezing all bank accounts of Hamas members and refraining from any deal with them,
  4. Expulsion of all Muslim Brotherhood members from Qatar,
  5. Expulsion of anti-[P]GCC elements,
  6. Ending support for ‘terrorist organizations’,
  7. Stopping interference in Egyptian affairs,
  8. Ceasing the broadcast of the Al Jazeera news channel,
  9. Apologizing to all [Persian] Gulf governments for ‘abuses’ by Al Jazeera,
  10. Pledging that it (Qatar) will not carry out any actions that contradict the policies of the [P]GCC and adhering to its charter.
And A LOT of rumors among Arabic twitter users that... Military invasion is imminent.


So, it is not unwise to think where to divert and land if all airspace around (Including Iranian) will suddenly became unavailable i must say.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 21:51
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And, just to ramp things up a little more:

Wed Jun 7, 2017 | 4:28pm EDT

At least 12 killed in militant attack in Iran, Guards blame Saudi Arabia

By Bozorgmehr Sharafedin | LONDON

Suicide bombers and gunmen attacked the Iranian parliament and the Mausoleum of Ayatollah Khomeini in Tehran on Wednesday, killing at least 12 people in a twin assault which Iran's Revolutionary Guards blamed on regional rival Saudi Arabia.

Islamic State claimed responsibility and released a video purporting to show gunmen inside the parliament building. It also threatened more attacks against Iran's majority Shi'ite population, seen by the hardline Sunni militants as "heretics".
At least 12 killed in militant attack in Iran, Guards blame Saudi Arabia | Reuters
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 22:47
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One gets the feeling the solids are going to be hitting the fan big time.
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 14:05
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Lad, you can BS the fans here on PPRuNe but you can't BS the players
First, sorry for delay in replying, I had to undergo some minor surgery which occupied my mind for a while.
I have been gagging to reply to your juvenile posting, particularly in response to your comment: "Something tells me that you've never flown an aircraft in the Middle East."
First flight into the Middle East, 1966 or 51 years ago. Last flight 2015. During that half century period I had 5 years working for Saudi ATC, flying fairly often between airports in the area that you perhaps have not even heard of. The balance of that period was spent working largely with government organisations, Defence, Presidents' Offices, with Kings, Princes and sundry minor Sheikhs etc. Countries involved were all those in what is often known as the Middle East, except Lebanon and Turkey; from Yemen to Iraq and from Oman to Israel and all pointd in between, plus Egypt & Sudan.
So, want to repeat your stupid assertion that I have never flown an aircraft in the M.E.?
To the various others who criticised my posts re flights over Iraq; I got my data from a source that may have been extrapolating rather than producing an accurate fix from , contemporaneous data. So, I could blame the source. I have in fact flown over Baghdad with Qatar; daylight flight in glorious weather. However, that was about 4 years ago.
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 17:07
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
First, sorry for delay in replying, I had to undergo some minor surgery which occupied my mind for a while.
Hope your recovery goes well, that is more important than anything else we will discuss here.

Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
So, want to repeat your stupid assertion that I have never flown an aircraft in the M.E.?
OK, I'll bite. So you say you've flown on aircraft in the Middle East. Pilots are indeed a vanishing breed here on the Professional Pilots Rumour Network.

Originally Posted by IBE8720 View Post
FYI
QR don't overfly Iraq, so any flight in Iraq airspace is landing in Iraq. Same with Syria, Syrian airspace is Prohibited for our Ops.
With that sort of info, you must be a CNN reporter.
Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Really? Explain QR8261 then. Currently (18:47 UK time) just passing NE of Baghdad en route to Liege. That is Liege in Belgium, not Liege Iraq!
Meanwhile, keep an eye on QR246, rapidly approaching the Turkish/Syrian border, just behind QR40. So, not only does that cover Syrian overflights, the projected tracks of both these flights will take them from Syria over Iraq.
So, your info is perhaps defective? Perhaps when you say "Prohibited for our Ops" you really meant to say "for someone's ops".
As you now admit, it was not IBE8720's information that was defective:

Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
To the various others who criticised my posts re flights over Iraq; I got my data from a source that may have been extrapolating rather than producing an accurate fix from , contemporaneous data. So, I could blame the source.
And, as you admonished us for being skeptical of your faulty assertion of Iraq and Syria overflights by QR:

Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
So, a tip from an old man; wind your neck in and make sure you know something about the subject before you come up with the amateur insults!
Sorry I called BS but I could tell that you didn't know what you were talking about in this case, IBE8720 did.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 14:06
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Although not anymore on the radar of MSN I understand that some of the aviation related restrictions have been lifted. Anyone with specifics?
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 14:44
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
Although not anymore on the radar of MSN I understand that some of the aviation related restrictions have been lifted. Anyone with specifics?
Here's the news blurb from a few days ago:

Bahrain, UAE open up airspace for Qatar Airways

By Associated Press August 8

MONTREAL — The world aviation agency says Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates have agreed to open up some of their airspace to Qatar’s state-owned airline after it was hit with flight restrictions earlier this summer in a diplomatic dispute.

A spokesman for the Montreal-based International Civil Aviation Organization said Tuesday that the flight corridors include existing as well as new “temporary or contingency” routes for Qatar Airways.

Spokesman Anthony Philbin says that since June 5, the aviation organization has been working with various countries in the Middle East to work out access to airspace for Qatar-registered aircraft.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.ffea1ef3197a

Anybody got the actual Notams on the newly opened airspace? I looked but could only find the June stuff like:

A0222/17 NOTAMN
Q) OBBB/QXXXX/IV/NBO/E /000/999/
A) OBBB B) 1706151150 C) PERM
E) REFERENCE AIP SUP 06/2017 STANDARD ROUTES DOCUMENT
ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OBBB FIR AT LONOS FOR DESTINATION IN QATAR-
REQUIRED ROUTE IS MODIFIED TO LONOS UL438 KOBOK DCT RASDI UN318 VELAM

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OBBB FIR AT LONOS FOR THE SOUTHERN EMIRATES
FIR - REQUIRED ROUTE IS MODIFIED TO LONOS UP975 GETAL DCT RASDI
UN318 OVONA

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OBBB FIR AT KUVER FOR DESTINATION IN QATAR-
REQUIRED ROUTE IS MODIFIED TO KUVER UT438 KOBOK DCT RASDI UN318 VELAM

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OBBBFIR AT KUVER FOR THE SOUTHERN EMIRATES FIR
- REQUIRED ROUTE IS MODIFIED TO KUVER UT975 GETAL DCT RASDI UN318
OVONA
The EK folks risk fines and prison if they comment on the QR situation so I don't think we will hear much from them:

UAE: Social media users face jail for Qatar sympathy | UAE News | Al Jazeera
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 16:25
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"The EK folks risk fines and prison if they comment on the QR situation so I don't think we will hear much from them:

UAE: Social media users face jail for Qatar sympathy | UAE News | Al Jazeera"]
Perhaps one of the reasons the initial demands included shutting Al Zazeera down...
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 17:41
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Looks like this is the new temporary airway through the Bahrain FIR to get to Doha:

G0553/17 NOTAMN
Q) OBBB/QARCS/I/NBO/E/000/999/2515N05218E040
A) OBBB B) 1708070000 C) 1711062359 EST
E) ESTABLISHMENT OF A TEMPO RNAV1 ATS ROUTE T665 FM OVONA DCT BOVIP
DCT DOH. AIRSPACE CLASS A AND CLASS C. LOWER/UPPER LIMITS 4500FT TO
FL220. INBOUND FOR QATAR REGISTERED AIRCRAFT ARRIVING QATAR
AERODROMES.
Also, this routing through the UAE FIR:

A1065/17 - TEMPO RNAV5 ATS RTE T665 ESTABLISHED FM DAPER(254522N 0545731E) DCT
ITMUS(252322N 0535429E) DCT OVONA(252443N 0524739E) AIRSPACE CLASS
A,FOR WB QATAR REGISTERED ACFT INBD TO THE STATE OF QATAR. FL220 - FL300, H24,
07 AUG 00:00 2017 UNTIL 06 NOV 23:59 2017 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 31 JUL 08:20 2017
Don't know how I missed it earlier.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 18:11
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The poor souls in Muscat FIR are being run ragged with the QTR traffic coming up and over and down. Maybe the current round of talks going on with ICAO will open up more routes and ease the pressure.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 23:25
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
Here's the news blurb from a few days ago:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.ffea1ef3197a

Anybody got the actual Notams on the newly opened airspace? I looked but could only find the June stuff like:



The EK folks risk fines and prison if they comment on the QR situation so I don't think we will hear much from them:

UAE: Social media users face jail for Qatar sympathy | UAE News | Al Jazeera
Whoa! That's pretty draconian!
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 04:07
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Might have this put on t-shirts and hand them out to newbies
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 09:32
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Gents, again

Be careful, its easy to get into jail, but difficult to get out
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 15:34
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Are vpn also formally outlawed?
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 16:03
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Don't know about Qatar, here's one view of VPN use in the UAE:

Don't use a VPN in United Arab Emirates – unless you wanna risk jail and a $545,000 fine

Arab monarchy tries to slam door on privacy tools

By Iain Thomson in San Francisco 28 Jul 2016 at 20:54

A royal edict from the president of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) may have effectively made it illegal for anyone in the country to use a VPN or secure proxy service.

Those caught could face jail time and fines of between 500,000 and 2,000,000 UAE dirham (US$136,130 and $544,521). The change was announced this week by the UAE President His Highness Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan in a proclamation that amended federal laws.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/0...ace_544k_fine/
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 17:35
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https://thebestvpn.com/are-vpns-lega...egal-section-Q

I don't know how accurate this site is. It is extensive and is correct about the countries which do ban them, but it seems to be perfectly legal to use a VPN in Qatar, which makes sense as I know plenty who do and have had no problems whatsoever.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 17:57
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Originally Posted by edi_local View Post
https://thebestvpn.com/are-vpns-lega...egal-section-Q

I don't know how accurate this site is. It is extensive and is correct about the countries which do ban them, but it seems to be perfectly legal to use a VPN in Qatar, which makes sense as I know plenty who do and have had no problems whatsoever.
There's not so much a defined line between what's legal and not legal in dictatorships. It's more what the ruling regime decide when they want. Not trying to scare you, just saying. Be cautious in everything you do as 'legal' is not the same as in your home country, a VPN site is the best place to get your info. Ask your local police station what you are and are not allowed to do.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 23:07
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Ask your local police station what you are and are not allowed to do.
Good luck with that one.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 14:01
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By the way, no sign that Bahrain, Egypt, UAE and Saudi Arabia are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Cutting off Qatar itself doesn't cost them much (ignoring those who sold food to Qatar, presumably now out of business or smuggling), but if they follow the principle they should surely boycott Qatar's assets abroad. Shouldn't Gulf Air, Egyptair, Emirates, Saudia, etc., stop flying to London Heathrow (20% owned by Qatar government)?

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